casters: what am I missing

[whiskeybravo]

SMN got a lot better with expansion, they were any a pretty poor place in fcob, I hardly ever saw them. It's really about the mobility.

FYI there are some decent hotbar swapping macro commands that may help save some space. It's been forever since I've played SMN and can't give you anything specific off the top of my head. You can review the commands in the macro menu, look at the /crosshotbar command and see if you can figure out some abilities that may be able to be swapped on the fly. Ex I have macros for warrior that swap inner beast with fell cleave and steel cyclone with decimate so it uses the same 2 buttons instead of 4 different slots, very nice for controller playing. Here's the thread for reference: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Stance-Dancing

It's kinda funny I just noticed a comment "WAR - discovering SMN macros since 2015.", hopefully you can get some use out of it

[Happosai]

blackmage has to either move and stop casting all together or move and Scathe (which im sure no one does lolololol)

Lol seriously! On the rare occasion that I scathe due to movement I immediately think "whyd I do that" as I stand still locked out by gcd. Im sure its been suggested but making scathe ogcd would solve that.

Ok so basically its not that smn is easier, its that theyre punished less by movement. Makes sense. Practice makes better. Thanks on the quick responses!

[OJ191]

Lol seriously! On the rare occasion that I scathe due to movement I immediately think "whyd I do that" as I stand still locked out by gcd. Im sure its been suggested but making scathe ogcd would solve that.

Ok so basically its not that smn is easier, its that theyre punished less by movement. Makes sense. Practice makes better. Thanks on the quick responses!

Agree that even with movement I don't use scathe often (I usually use it if something has a teensy bit of health yet and CBF waiting for cast timer), but making it ogcd wouldn't help that any either - either it would fuck with mana too much and be useless or it would have too long a cooldown to be usable or it would be a straight DPS buff for no real reason.

[Happosai]

Agree that even with movement I don't use scathe often (I usually use it if something has a teensy bit of health yet and CBF waiting for cast timer), but making it ogcd wouldn't help that any either - either it would fuck with mana too much and be useless or it would have too long a cooldown to be usable or it would be a straight DPS buff for no real reason.

True I never even considered the mana ramifications. Yea its pretty much just a "last mob is almost dead, will be dead before I get a cast off... guess ill use it". Sometimes ill use it on ravana ex when were walking the balls but thats about it. Seriously se do something with scathe, surecast and maybe freeze. The latter two arent even on my crossbar.

[Iagainsti]

@Happosai Scathe, Surecast and Freeze are all clinch PvP abilities as is. Probably won't see any changes.

[Happosai]

@Happosai Scathe, Surecast and Freeze are all clinch PvP abilities as is. Probably won't see any changes.

I dont even pvp bruh lol xD

[Hattorii]

Don’t listen to ANY of these comments. The only true way to find out is level and play them both. Based off of that then make a decision. I am a caster… Not a blm not a smn but a caster. Do both.

[Happosai]

Don’t listen to ANY of these comments. The only true way to find out is level and play them both. Based off of that then make a decision. I am a caster… Not a blm not a smn but a caster. Do both.

Great advice that all should listen to. My summoner is lvl 52 ish and so far I hate it lol I'm sure if I practiced it more it would become second nature but the amount of buttons is a bit much for me personally. I could probably handle it if i could get away with having the pet on sic but... no. I do kind of feel like im being pideon holed into smn as all recruiting statics i see are looking for smn, not smn/blm and certainly not just blm. But oh well im gonna stick with what i enjoy. If that means i have to wait till i outgear content to be allowed to "try" so be it. But yes, overall people should try for themselves. Dots n pets n aether choices are not my thing.

[Happosai]

FYI there are some decent hotbar swapping macro commands that may help save some space. It's been forever since I've played SMN and can't give you anything specific off the top of my head. You can review the commands in the macro menu, look at the /crosshotbar command and see if you can figure out some abilities that may be able to be swapped on the fly. Ex I have macros for warrior that swap inner beast with fell cleave and steel cyclone with decimate so it uses the same 2 buttons instead of 4 different slots, very nice for controller playing. Here's the thread for reference: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Stance-Dancing

That is deffinitely new news to me! Tyvm ill check it out

[NovaLevossida]

To be honest, while SMN has more buttons to hit than BLM, I find all those abilities, pet management, aethertrail management, and the like to be a lot less annoying than juggling an Enochian timer just to cast your highest tier fire / ice spells which didn't require such ridiculous upkeep pre-Heavensward. To sum up the two jobs, I think Summoner got a lot better while Black Mage just got annoying.