I think raids are missing a "Normal" mode

[RiceisNice]

Alex Savage will seep into the mid-core difficulty once your gear catch up, I would think. Trying to tackle it before getting any eso pieces will definitely push number checks and performances to your limits ,but it's also in a way that it'll get progressively easier as time passes due to gearing up via esos or clearing previous floors (unlike say SCoB).

[Dante_V]

Those 25k unmitigated tank busters and 6200+ team DPS checks very easily become more feasible when your average ilvl goes from 185 to 206. Savage's difficulty mechanic-wise is about par for Coil. Once people are geared from esoterics you'll see a lot more clears.

The dps checks are fairly easy if you are playing your jobs correctly. Faust is easily downed at 180 and ravana weapons with a group who understand their dps. But this is the entry level trash for the raid. It will get harder down the line. But IMO personally speaking I think this is harder than the other coils unnerfed with entry level gear from my experience that I have had with them. Of course over gearing the content will make it easier with time. At that point it becomes a mechanical chanllenge as opposed to a straight hp/dps check.

[repoe]

seeing as how they have not adjusted anything in SCOB savage, released alexander NM that we will not see any echo( and should not ) for Alex Savage

[DoctorPepper]

seeing as how they have not adjusted anything in SCOB savage, released alexander NM that we will not see any echo( and should not ) for Alex Savage

Wishful thinking I'd say, I'd really love to believe the same thing but the difference between coil and alexander is that the rewards are better in alex savage than nm. If people are already complaining about the difficulty of Savage when most haven't even gotten any esoterics gear I say it's only a matter of time until Echo. I'd give it 6-8 months, as much as I don't want to see it happen at all they seem to cater to people who complain about difficulty more than people who enjoy it.

[Dante_V]

I personally don't think there will ever be echo in savage.

[Nabian]

I hope they never add echo to Alex Savage. Isn't that the whole point of have the Normal mode? What people seem to forget is that we aren't at the "minimum" entry gear requirements yet. Remember with Coil we had Darklight gear which was only 20 ilvl below gear drops. I think the bare minimum ilvl the fights were intended for is probably i190 - i195 for A1. Its the reason we are only seeing the top elite groups get clears.

Get 2 or 3 pieces of esoteric gear and I think A LOT more people will start clearing.

And before people say elitist want to keep casuals out....I am a casual player due to work restrictions. i want it to stay hard so that when I get a chance to get it there. I'm not dealing with a watered down snooze fest.

[Welsper59]

Wishful thinking I'd say, I'd really love to believe the same thing but the difference between coil and alexander is that the rewards are better in alex savage than nm. If people are already complaining about the difficulty of Savage when most haven't even gotten any esoterics gear I say it's only a matter of time until Echo. I'd give it 6-8 months, as much as I don't want to see it happen at all they seem to cater to people who complain about difficulty more than people who enjoy it.

It might be the best rewards for now, but in short while, current Savage raids are going to become obsolete. Given that the experience is all that Savage is truly good for, from a universal aspect, it's not too unheard of to leave it as is without Echo. Likewise however, it wouldn't be unheard of to add it lol. I guess it's really a 50/50 thing. Doesn't really matter by then, bottomline. We'd have access to gear that would make it significantly easier to beat. Adding an Echo to it wouldn't be as Earth shattering when you look at the situation as a whole. Would be nice if they never do, but yeah... whatever.

[Zohar_Lahar]

funny stuff- all ive seen this past year is boo hoo SCOB/FCOB we cant clear it cuz X reasons, why cant we have a story mode. SE released Alexander NM which is supposed to be a story version so everyone can be included and now i see i havent stepped into savage but boo hoo normal mode is too easy.

I personally disagree with the sentiment and don't think it is "easy" at all.

[Ashkendor]

funny stuff- all ive seen this past year is boo hoo SCOB/FCOB we cant clear it cuz X reasons, why cant we have a story mode. SE released Alexander NM which is supposed to be a story version so everyone can be included and now i see i havent stepped into savage but boo hoo normal mode is too easy.

Exactly. To me, Alexander Normal is the very definition of "midcore" content. The DPS check is there, but it's not too steep. Even with the minimum gear level, as long as people are actually doing the mechanics right you'll get through it. If they aren't, however, you're in for a bad time. The mechanics are pretty simple and don't get thrown at you at a breakneck pace. It took maybe a couple of hours total to figure out the mechanics for all four turns. This means the more casual players can learn it and get through it without having to invest a massive amount of time because it's quite doable in Duty Finder. Players that do this content in a static on a weekly basis are going to find it exceedingly easy, especially now that we're starting to oveargear it.

The thing is, "midcore" covers a lot of ground. A lot of people seem to have a sort of a weird stigma against calling themselves either casual or hardcore, so they just end up just lumping themselves together in the middle. "Midcore" is going to contain everyone from people that play at their own pace but have all the time in the world to former hardcore raiders that now have real life commitments so they're in a time crunch. If SE implemented another tier of content, they'd just get more complaints. "They should do another tier exactly like this but with a lower DPS check." "They should do another tier exactly like this but with less mechanics." "They should do another tier exactly like this but purple." No matter what they do, people will always find a reason to complain.

I hope they never add echo to Alex Savage. Isn't that the whole point of have the Normal mode? What people seem to forget is that we aren't at the "minimum" entry gear requirements yet.

I'm pretty sure we will get Echo eventually. Alexander Savage is the equivalent of BCoB/SCoB/FCoB, not the equivalent of SCoB Savage. Alexander Normal is basically a Raid Lite™ for the masses to have a story mode.

[Verius_Nox]

Instead of dismissing savage completely, why not have you and your FC mates at least try at it?

The difficulty of savage is about the same difficulty as the regular Coils. If you guys have raided coil at all in ARR, then you will be fine there.