I think raids are missing a "Normal" mode

[Dante_V]

I think savage is harder than under-geared coil without echo honestly. I would say it's harder than savage coil also IMO. At the current ilvls anyway. Not necessarily mechanically hard but the healer and dps checks can be pretty crucial at times. 25k unmitigated damage tank busters and 6200+ team dps checks arent anything to scoff at. Most of the dps/tanks I've seen just from pugging practice on raid off days can't even put out the dps to even clear faust.

I absolutely loves every second of it though I'm not going to lie and I congratulate Square for putting out something that challenges players to this degree.

[Heskett]

I think savage is harder than under-geared coil without echo honestly. I would say it's harder than savage coil also IMO. At the current ilvls anyway. Not necessarily mechanically hard but the healer and dps checks can be pretty crucial at times. 25k unmitigated damage tank busters and 6200+ team dps checks arent anything to scoff at. Most of the dps/tanks I've seen just from pugging practice on raid off days can't even put out the dps to even clear faust.

I absolutely loves every second of it though I'm not going to lie and I congratulate Square for putting out something that challenges players to this degree.

Those 25k unmitigated tank busters and 6200+ team DPS checks very easily become more feasible when your average ilvl goes from 185 to 206. Savage's difficulty mechanic-wise is about par for Coil. Once people are geared from esoterics you'll see a lot more clears.

[Dante_V]

Those 25k unmitigated tank busters and 6200+ team DPS checks very easily become more feasible when your average ilvl goes from 185 to 206. Savage's difficulty mechanic-wise is about par for Coil. Once people are geared from esoterics you'll see a lot more clears.

The dps checks are fairly easy if you are playing your jobs correctly. Faust is easily downed at 180 and ravana weapons with a group who understand their dps. But this is the entry level trash for the raid. It will get harder down the line. But IMO personally speaking I think this is harder than the other coils unnerfed with entry level gear from my experience that I have had with them. Of course over gearing the content will make it easier with time. At that point it becomes a mechanical chanllenge as opposed to a straight hp/dps check.

[RiceisNice]

Alex Savage will seep into the mid-core difficulty once your gear catch up, I would think. Trying to tackle it before getting any eso pieces will definitely push number checks and performances to your limits ,but it's also in a way that it'll get progressively easier as time passes due to gearing up via esos or clearing previous floors (unlike say SCoB).

[repoe]

seeing as how they have not adjusted anything in SCOB savage, released alexander NM that we will not see any echo( and should not ) for Alex Savage

[DoctorPepper]

seeing as how they have not adjusted anything in SCOB savage, released alexander NM that we will not see any echo( and should not ) for Alex Savage

Wishful thinking I'd say, I'd really love to believe the same thing but the difference between coil and alexander is that the rewards are better in alex savage than nm. If people are already complaining about the difficulty of Savage when most haven't even gotten any esoterics gear I say it's only a matter of time until Echo. I'd give it 6-8 months, as much as I don't want to see it happen at all they seem to cater to people who complain about difficulty more than people who enjoy it.

[Welsper59]

Wishful thinking I'd say, I'd really love to believe the same thing but the difference between coil and alexander is that the rewards are better in alex savage than nm. If people are already complaining about the difficulty of Savage when most haven't even gotten any esoterics gear I say it's only a matter of time until Echo. I'd give it 6-8 months, as much as I don't want to see it happen at all they seem to cater to people who complain about difficulty more than people who enjoy it.

It might be the best rewards for now, but in short while, current Savage raids are going to become obsolete. Given that the experience is all that Savage is truly good for, from a universal aspect, it's not too unheard of to leave it as is without Echo. Likewise however, it wouldn't be unheard of to add it lol. I guess it's really a 50/50 thing. Doesn't really matter by then, bottomline. We'd have access to gear that would make it significantly easier to beat. Adding an Echo to it wouldn't be as Earth shattering when you look at the situation as a whole. Would be nice if they never do, but yeah... whatever.

[Dante_V]

I personally don't think there will ever be echo in savage.

[Nabian]

I hope they never add echo to Alex Savage. Isn't that the whole point of have the Normal mode? What people seem to forget is that we aren't at the "minimum" entry gear requirements yet. Remember with Coil we had Darklight gear which was only 20 ilvl below gear drops. I think the bare minimum ilvl the fights were intended for is probably i190 - i195 for A1. Its the reason we are only seeing the top elite groups get clears.

Get 2 or 3 pieces of esoteric gear and I think A LOT more people will start clearing.

And before people say elitist want to keep casuals out....I am a casual player due to work restrictions. i want it to stay hard so that when I get a chance to get it there. I'm not dealing with a watered down snooze fest.

[Verius_Nox]

Instead of dismissing savage completely, why not have you and your FC mates at least try at it?

The difficulty of savage is about the same difficulty as the regular Coils. If you guys have raided coil at all in ARR, then you will be fine there.