Limitless Blue (Extreme) - Why do many people still fail DPS checks?

[Nadirah]

You clearly didn't see the people who complained on the forums that they couldn't get past silver.
A lot eventually learnt to.
It was still a learning experience for those people.

I did. And no, it really wasn't.

I know a lot of folks that didn't do them at all, or only ran premade groups for heroics.

i also personally know a bunch of people that had others do their PGs for them.

You also didn't notice that most of the folks complaining about them played certain classes. Certain classes that had weaknesses that eventually got adjusted.

And most of the gimmicks used in PGs(ambers being the biggest ones) have no place in the actual content. Even at minimum gear you could brute force the entire thing.

Then again...

It wasn't really challenging until you did endless.

https://youtu.be/DUx4vmYTME0

My main screwup at the end there was assuming my aoe would hit the idiot standing in the middle. -_-

Edit: Even endless was a preset set of waves that repeated itself and you used a predetermined rotation of CDs to get through it.

That was done during MoP, and in WoD it was even easier.

[Dante_V]

We have been bringing our potential static members into savage faust and letting them try to see how they fair. I think it's a big wake up call for some people which isn't necessarily a bad thing. @180+ melee/mages needs to be bringing a minimum of 1100 and ranged/support a min of 1000 to even really consider attempting the content. Tanks should be pushing at least 600 - 800. Exceptional dps will push more than that but with any less than that you might as well practice your rotation or get some better gear.

[Allyrion]

I did. And no, it really wasn't.

I know a lot of folks that didn't do them at all, or only ran premade groups for heroics.

i also personally know a bunch of people that had others do their PGs for them.

You also didn't notice that most of the folks complaining about them played certain classes. Certain classes that had weaknesses that eventually got adjusted.

And most of the gimmicks used in PGs(ambers being the biggest ones) have no place in the actual content. Even at minimum gear you could brute force the entire thing.

Then again...

It wasn't really challenging until you did endless.

https://youtu.be/DUx4vmYTME0

My main screwup at the end there was assuming my aoe would hit the idiot standing in the middle. -_-

The points of the gimmicks are to throw a wrench in your rotation.
That's all really.
It's not teaching you to deal with specific raid mechanics.
It's just how you deal with something while doing your rotation.

The main people who complained were locks and shamans, and I mained both.
You could easily do it with minimum gear with either.
There were people who had trouble but learnt to do it in those, and some who just complained.

But still the difficulty doesn't really matter, it's about the concept.
I don't think it's an issue if it can be ignored or bypassed.
Only that the content is there for the ones who are willing to use it.

Endless alone made it successful even if it wasn't some fix for all bad players out there.
It provided a solo challenge that had different levels.

It could be done better, with more relevant mechanics and a steeper learning curve.
But the design was solid and would be much better here where there are people who don't use parsers so they don't know they're really bad.

[Nadirah]

The main people who complained were locks and shamans, and I mained both.
You could easily do it with minimum gear with either.
There were people who had trouble but learnt to do it in those, and some who just complained.

You mean "locks and shaman of specific specs".

The DPS trials were rather AOE heavy and not all specs were created equal.

With locks there was less issue of "go switch spec and git gud", but with shaman, it required an entirely different gear set up. Different stat priorities and weapons, specifically.

My main then was my rsham, and close behind that was my rdruid, whom I raided with. The same rsham I did the tank/dps trials on.

That was sad. Healbomb the healer NPC and let her nuke all of it down. Lol

[Twilite]

Because there is no parser for people to learn from.

You mean use to put people down.

[Kallera]

Which check? The snakes that tether and use buffs to reflect damage?
Or The primal that you can only stay on a certain amount of time?
Or the shell? Ive heard can be cleared even if you don't break it on the first go. But that not a common idea.

[Destomius]

You mean use to put people down.

This is exactly why there's lots of bad DPS and a negative attitude towards parsers. People are too sensitive and take objective criticism as "waah waah they're putting me down" so they just continue to believe they're doing nothing wrong and wondering why they can't meet DPS checks.

[Colorful]

You mean use to put people down.

Why can't people be put down for performing poorly? Obviously things like "you suck, git gud casual" shouldn't be said, but things like "You're performing poorly, mind stepping it up a little? Otherwise we'll have to find a replacement" should be perfectly fine. I'm not playing FFXIV to carry people, and I'm sure any other competent player isn't either. If you're dragging your party down, learn to play better.

[Colt47]

The reason limitless blue throws so many people for a loop is because many people are underutilizing their abilities when doing fights. Maybe they've been spending too much time doing fate grinds and not enough time doing actual boss battles where their deficiencies can be more obvious?

[Stupiduglytaru]

You mean use to put people down.

Quick question, if you joined a group and the tank ran round in circles, never used a cooldown and just stood in aoes which caused your team to wipe, would you say something?

Likewise, if you healer was just sat there spamming medica I making the tank die, would you say something?

Now let me understand this, its bad if the tank sucks, its awful if the healer sucks.....but aslong that dps is mashing some random buttons together that's acceptable?

But what if in some way a dps could see what they are doing? Wouldn't that be amazing, see dat low dps and be like bro I'm gonna go work on dat rotation.