Why AST Using MP Refresh Below 33% and Still Going OOM Not a Surprise?

[TatoRazzino]

If you're going to compare, you have to compare the spells in all aspects:

1. Basic healing spell (GCD)
Cure: 400 potency. 2s cast (200 potency per second), 2.5 recast (160 pps).
Benefic (Diurnal): 380 potency. 1.9s cast (200 pps), 2.37 recast (160 pps).
2. Big healing spell (GCD)
Cure II: 650 potency. 2s cast (325 pps), 2.5 recast (260 pps).
Benefic II (Diurnal): 620 potency. 1.9 cast (326 pps), 2.37 recast (261 pps).
3. Big healing spell (Off-GCD)
Tetragrammaton: 700 potency. 1 min.
Essential: 400-1000 potency. 40s.
Do the same math above for every GCD spell, and you'll see that the overall healing is the same on skills like Medica/Helios and Medica II/Aspected Helios.
The two spells that WHM has access to and that AST doesn't have are Assize and Benediction. AST needs to use Swiftcast+Helios to achieve the same effect, which is fine because we have more instant cast spells and we don't need Swiftcast that often.

[TatoRazzino]

The calculation is more complex with Regen x Aspected Benefic:

Regen: HoT spell. 150p for 21 seconds (7t, 1050 combined).
A. Benefic: 190 heal + 100p for 18 seconds (6t, 790 combined).

There's a difference of 260 potency, but the spells work differently.
Regen:

150 + 150 (300) + 150 (450) + 150 (600) + ... + 150 (1050).

It's a spell that works in a straight line, healing for the same amount for its entire duration.
A. Benefic has the instant healing of 190 and a 100 tick within the first 3s, which means that you get 290 potency healing done in the same time Regen does 150. Like this:

290 [190+100] + 100 (390) + 100 (490) + 100 (590) + 100 (690) + 100 (790).

This means that, for the first half of it's duration, Aspected Benefic does over 60% of it's total healing, while Regen does less than 50%. This is the reason why Regen is not a viable emergency healing spell, while Aspected Benefic can heal one target for about the same as Assize in the first 3 seconds.

[Eudyptes]

The two spells that WHM has access to and that AST doesn't have are Assize and Benediction. AST needs to use Swiftcast+Helios to achieve the same effect, which is fine because we have more instant cast spells and we don't need Swiftcast that often.

Don't forget Freecure, Overcure, Divine Seal, and Asylum for more mana reduced healing, plus Presence of Mind for a spell speed CD.

When all's said and done, WHM beats AST in mana conservation by a significant amount.

[Volsung]

Don't forget Freecure, Overcure, Divine Seal, and Asylum for more mana reduced healing, plus Presence of Mind for a spell speed CD.

When all's said and done, WHM beats AST in mana conservation by a significant amount.

Does medica also still have the 20% chance no mp cos also?

[Eudyptes]

Does medica also still have the 20% chance no mp cos also?

Yeah, I forgot about that one.

[RiisWolf]

Ya'know there's a reason why I spell out what I mean like:

By default, they are just as effective as WHM, at a cheaper price.
And by default, I mean while no CDs that alter their performance were used such as a 30% boost in healing power, that WHMs have.
AST don't have a CD that boosts their raw healing power like WHMs do though.

Sometimes I just wonder why I bother, when I still get this:

I'm sorry what, how are they just as effective? They have some similar skills but ast isn't more effective than white mage even in mp potency.
Let's do some comparisons shall we?
1. Aspected benefic is instant, but the hot is lower than regen from a white mage. 100 potency vs 150 potency
2. Whitemage has more oh shit buttons
3. Whitemage has divine seal, that's a huge healing potency increase while the only healing potency increase ast has is nocturnal stance and that's by 5%. Stronger heals=less mp used unless you're over healing
4. Ast has one maybe two three heals that don't cost mp besides essential dignity if you count synastry and collective unconscious which is very situational Where whitemage has tetragramation, benediction (300s cd though), assize and asylum 3 of which are instant heals and one restores mp

Clearly missing the point of my post because she's saying literally everything I had just post as to disagree with my post. You don't disagree by repeating everything I wrote in detail. And not only that, includes the CDs WHMs have that last for a very short time and won't be used and/or available most of the time.
Point 3 is especially bad: comparing a short time CD for burst healing to a sect that lasts indefinitely that must be on (I'm not saying you MUST have nocturnal on, I'm saying you must have EITHER sect active otherwise you're going it wrong). All the sects do is make your spells' effectiveness even with a WHM's spells, and I will stress this time: BY DEFAULT!

Default healing is healing without CDs. That's it.

Default doesn't include this:

Don't forget Freecure, Overcure, Divine Seal, and Asylum for more mana reduced healing, plus Presence of Mind for a spell speed CD.

When all's said and done, WHM beats AST in mana conservation by a significant amount.

Because you're not going to be using that or having it available for most of the time. Pop a Divine Seal, it's gone for 45 secs. Pop Presence of Mind, you burn MP faster for 15secs and got to roll without it for the next 105secs. Freecure happens by chance and you must be casting Cure1, sometimes you must use cure 2 instead, effectively making it unreliable. Same thing goes for Overcure and Medica1. RNG is unreliable, a lucky break, but ultimately should NOT be relied on or even considered for this in the first place. Benediction is gone for 5 minutes. Asylum is gone for over a minute. Tetragram is gone for a minute. Let's also consider the times they won't be used.
And when you don't have CDs then obviously your stuck spamming your default heals and/or attacks all with the exception of Dirunal Aspected Benefic when compared to WHM's Regen, are cheaper and just as effective, and I stress again, BY DEFAULT!

Geeze, did I mention default?

[Spoekes]

BY DEFAULT

How is it default to just ignore

• Freecures/Overcures (which are passive, you can only avoid them by not casting cure1/2s - neglecting 15% chance freecures is just ridiculous)
• Divine Seal (it does not have a tiny uptime btw. In fact 30% for 15 sec every minute is great uptime, can you think of a better buff?) and Presence of Mind
• Asylum

This is "not default" and heavily cherrypicking, just to fit your argument. It's like saying: Don't consider Synastry in this, it is not BY DEFAULT AST! *facepalm*