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    AlphaSonic's Avatar
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    Shaartis Laggal
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    I'm going to talk as WHM. I use Shroud when my MP decays to 75%. After that, every time i have it available and my MP is 75% or lower.
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    Triptolemus Zaels
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    It's still something. AST spells are cheaper than their WHM counter parts, but also the potency for both MP Refreshes are the same, with the same CD.
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    Emarial Artayu
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    It's still something. AST spells are cheaper than their WHM counter parts, but also the potency for both MP Refreshes are the same, with the same CD.
    the ast refresh skill is 120s cd, the whm one is 180s cd
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    Spark Joy
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    Faerie
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael View Post
    the ast refresh skill is 120s cd, the whm one is 180s cd
    It has the same cooldown. I think the trait reduces its CD--I don't remember, but I'm 100% certain Shroud of Saints is on a 120 second CD.
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    Hennessy Cognac
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    It's still something. AST spells are cheaper than their WHM counter parts, but also the potency for both MP Refreshes are the same, with the same CD.
    AST spells are cheaper but **heal for less**. WHM have more healing/healing increasing abilities. Comparing their MP refreshes is not a way to judge mp flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chumsy View Post
    AST spells are cheaper but **heal for less**. WHM have more healing/healing increasing abilities. Comparing their MP refreshes is not a way to judge mp flow.
    Benefic1 potency is 380. Cure 1 is 400.
    Benefic2 potency is 620. Cure 2 is 650.

    380 is 5% less than 400, and 620 is 5% less than 650.

    AST sects increase speed or power by 5%.

    Regen ASP. Benefic's regen is less potent, but unlike WHM regen, it does do instant healing+HoT.
    Barrier ASP. Benefic's barrier can be stronger than Stoneskin's barrier. By can, Stoneskin applies a barrier =10% target's max HP, you'll likely need a crit for ASP. Benefic to outdo stoneskin on a pure vit tank. However asp. benefic will apply a stronger barrier on most others. ASP. Benefic also heals, can crit, and is instant cast unlike Stoneskin; it's also cheaper than Stoneskin too.

    By default, they are just as effective as WHM, at a cheaper price.
    And by default, I mean while no CDs that alter their performance were used such as a 30% boost in healing power, that WHMs have.
    AST don't have a CD that boosts their raw healing power like WHMs do though.
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    Emarial Artayu
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    By default, they are just as effective as WHM, at a cheaper price.
    And by default, I mean while no CDs that alter their performance were used such as a 30% boost in healing power, that WHMs have.
    AST don't have a CD that boosts their raw healing power like WHMs do though.
    I'm sorry what, how are they just as effective? They have some similar skills but ast isn't more effective than white mage even in mp potency.
    Let's do some comparisons shall we?
    1. Aspected benefic is instant, but the hot is lower than regen from a white mage. 100 potency vs 150 potency
    2. Whitemage has more oh shit buttons
    3. Whitemage has divine seal, that's a huge healing potency increase while the only healing potency increase ast has is nocturnal stance and that's by 5%. Stronger heals=less mp used unless you're over healing
    4. Ast has one maybe two three heals that don't cost mp besides essential dignity if you count synastry and collective unconscious which is very situational Where whitemage has tetragramation, benediction (300s cd though), assize and asylum 3 of which are instant heals and one restores mp
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