Machinist need buffed

[Alkel]

Before 3.0, i was BRD main job, switched to MCH ans i must say: im going back to BRD!

The main problem with MCH is the 2/3 RNG combo, its a DPS killer.
At least BRD have a more constant DPS and thats why they regularly outperform MCH.

The support part is also better for BRD. Hypercharge really cant hold the comparaison when it comes to DPS boost. Foe is a lot more valuable.

And last but not least: MCH has zero HP skill where BRD can at least save himself with second wind (its good to have it on A1 red mark!).

Its sad, because MCH is really fun to play.

[Haxetc]

Before 3.0, i was BRD main job, switched to MCH ans i must say: im going back to BRD!

The main problem with MCH is the 2/3 RNG combo, its a DPS killer.
At least BRD have a more constant DPS and thats why they regularly outperform MCH.

The support part is also better for BRD. Hypercharge really cant hold the comparaison when it comes to DPS boost. Foe is a lot more valuable.

The DPS loss of not getting a proc isn't as severe as you're making it sound. You're losing out on some DPS, yes. But, the biggest loss of not getting procs is that you're spending more TP. Idk why you along with many other people are saying BRD "regularly" outperforms MCH. Where do you see that happening? Show me some unmerged parses and I'll start to believe you. If you're using A2S as an example that's just bad because that's a fight made for BRD whereas A1S and A3S can go in the favor of MCH. You have to figure, Hypercharge is buffing 5 DPS in a melee comp with 1 caster whereas a BRD is buffing 1-3 casters including healers. Also, when you're done using that Requiem, if the healer needs MP, you can't cast Ballad. Same goes for TP and Paeon. The OF just confuses me due to the amount of people that are just bad at the game. Git gud and play the job right. Then maybe you'll see that MCH is very viable.

I'll agree on the last point because I've been sad my fair share amount of Protean Waves in A3S due to not having Second Wind

[Lavieh]

You have to figure, Hypercharge is buffing 5 DPS in a melee comp with 1 caster whereas a BRD is buffing 1-3 casters including healers..

You and I both know that Hypercharge doesn't shed a light onto Foe Requiem. Even with a single mage in your group.

If you're using A2S as an example

Eh, I think BRD can produce slightly better numbers in A2S but I think MCH shines more in A2S because they are able to manage resources better and provide some damage increase for their mage. Hypercharge + Promotion toggle on a bishop will get you the 5% boost + Net Mana. You can then turn that net mana around into more TP for the DPS so they are able to AoE a bit more. Foe Req is good and all but I think you would benefit better from more abudant resources in A2S.

[Humorless]

Foe Req is good and all but I think you would benefit better from more abudant resources in A2S.

not if you have a SMN.

[Lavieh]

not if you have a SMN.

SMN's main damage in A2S comes from Vuln Stacking and Bane.

Foe is obviously good in that turn regardless but I'm fairly certain you can push higher numbers by providing your WAR/Melee DPS with more TP to sustain their AoE.

[Laptopmenace]

I really think that Machinist would be perfect if not for the rng combo factor. Or if they removed the factor with GB enabled

[Lavieh]

I really think that Machinist would be perfect if not for the rng combo factor. Or if they removed the factor with GB enabled

I don't think the RNG factor is a problem. It may be a tad frustrating when learning the class but once you get it down it is really easy to master and it doesn't hurt the class that much.

I've said it before but the only thing that MCH could use is a tiny boost to the % amount of damage that Hypercharge increases. (5-7% would be perfect).

Their personal damage is absolutely on par with BRD and with a DRG can surpass mages at times.

[Haxetc]

You and I both know that Hypercharge doesn't shed a light onto Foe Requiem. Even with a single mage in your group.

Requiem is a double edged sword whereas Hypercharge is not. While it might be good at boosting a few casters DPS, if resources are needed and requiem just spent the BRD's MP than the group is SOL. That's the point I was making. Also, in fights like A3S where both Healers get a damage down debuff in the last phase of the fight, Requiem loses it's benefit to only helping one caster.

[Lavieh]

Requiem

Obviously I would be an idiot to disagree with that but it would take a really inexperienced BRD to pop a full bar of Foe mid fight when the healers resources are starting running out or at times when they know TP will be an issue. As you learn a fight you learn the places where songs need to be played.

What I am trying to say is that we would have to tip things in MCH's favor pretty steeply in order to make the damage up utility on Hypercharge be the better dps gain. The overall utility of HC outshines that of BV though since you can HC and toggle promotion to still get provide the physical foe and double up on TP recovery. In progression fights I think we will find that MCH's superior resource management will outshine but whenever people start doing speed runs, I think that BRD will shine.

[OneWingedSora]

whereas A1S and A3S can go in the favor of MCH.

There's no way a Bard shouldn't be outdpsing a MCH on A1S assuming similar skill level. Unless you can do 1032 on an 8 min+kill(3 jumps) while playing ballad, I will keep that thought.