NIN -- how does everyone else feel we're doing?

[Bearrier]

I'm on A2 savage. Monk does around 920 in A1 and I do 890. I'm also LB bitch.

[Layke]

I'm on A2 savage. Monk does around 920 in A1 and I do 890. I'm also LB bitch.

How was both of your DPS on Faust and Oppressor?

[Bearrier]

How was both of your DPS on Faust and Oppressor?

I do around 1160 - 1170 on Faust and monk does around 1260 - 1300. Monk numbers are higher due to elixer field being able to hit adds and ninjas don't have AOE OGCD. Oppressor is 890 for me and 920 for monk.

There needs to be more of a sample size than 1 raid group, if the consensus still stands that nin are doing less dps than mnks or drgs there is something obviously wrong.

I don't think so. You need to add on the fact that Ninjas have Goad and Trick Attack. They should be lower than monk and DRG. Monk shouldn't be this low though. Right now nobody is even close to dragoons in terms of single target damage. There is a reason why almost every group runs DRG.

[Uppers]

There needs to be more of a sample size than 1 raid group, if the consensus still stands that nin are doing less dps than mnks or drgs there is something obviously wrong.

[Leonus]

Drgs are not required for raid groups. People just think they are. If your drg is pulling 100-200 dps more than your mnk, that more than likely point more issues towards you person playing mnk.

The mnk in my raid group is damn good, and goes toe to toe with me.

I haven't taken my nin into raids since HW, but it is 60, and the dps difference between nin and mnk isn't huge.

Edit: Mnk has better AoE damage than drg.

[Layke]

Drgs are not required for raid groups. People just think they are. If your drg is pulling 100-200 dps more than your mnk, that more than likely point more issues towards you person playing mnk.

The mnk in my raid group is damn good, and goes toe to toe with me.

I haven't taken my nin into raids since HW, but it is 60, and the dps difference between nin and mnk isn't huge.

Edit: Mnk has better AoE damage than drg.

For cutting edge progression, DRGs are basically required. I think every Static I've seen that has downed atleast A2S has had one. Their DPS is just so much higher than the other melee at the moment that if a DRG is losing/tied to another melee it means they are simply not as good as they should be.

[Leonus]

For cutting edge progression, DRGs are basically required. I think every Static I've seen that has downed atleast A2S has had one. Their DPS is just so much higher than the other melee at the moment that if a DRG is losing/tied to another melee it means they are simply not as good as they should be.

I have found the opposite. Most people I have come across on nin or mnk get smashed by drg dps, and are not as good as the could be.

@uppers.

Maybe everyone isn't as good as they think they are with their respective melee class.

Even more likely that you yourself, are a bad nin, than it is that I am a bad drg. Since we're taking shots.

[Uppers]

Drgs are not required for raid groups. People just think they are. If your drg is pulling 100-200 dps more than your mnk, that more than likely point more issues towards you person playing mnk.

The mnk in my raid group is damn good, and goes toe to toe with me.

I haven't taken my nin into raids since HW, but it is 60, and the dps difference between nin and mnk isn't huge.

Edit: Mnk has better AoE damage than drg.

Maybe you are a bad drg.

[sorge74]

Maybe you are a bad drg.

My DRG is awesome, he crushed me by 100-200 DPS, and I pull higher numbers then a vast majority of parses I see for any job. Makes me think something is up.

[Dante_V]

The entire premise of most of these arguments exist in complete vacuums. Ninja is completely fine as it is damage wise. As a raid leader I am specifically looking for a ninja over a monk (although that doesn't mean we won't accept a monk who is good) because the reality is that potentials are NOT actuals. The potential dps a class can put out within 50-60 dps is completely irrelevant to me. I'm more concerned with the player playing the class (actual ability and dps in real situations) and confidence and understanding in that class, than some potential in a complete vacuum. IMO monks are the worst off ATM as one of their main draws (int debuff) can now be used by the drk.