Glamour changes please.

[Orspeth]

So we don't have level progressions and armour progressions in the present day of gaming?

No one talking about real gear here, they are talking about fun and harmless glamour, or are you being deliberately obtuse? Let your level and your real gear be something you can flex your epeen over if you must, but fun stuff like glamour should be for all.

[Naunet]

So we don't have level progressions and armour progressions in the present day of gaming?

We certainly don't usually have people telling us that we have to wait to level cap in order to make use of a costume system. In WildStar, my level-capped esper managed to farm up the rated PvP set. I unlocked the appearance in the holo-wardrobe, and if I so want, I can use any of those pieces' appearances on any of my alts.

[Niqote]

I don't think a new player can afford to glamour though...

Think about how often you change your gear when you level, you could change a piece of gear 3 times a day if you happened to get the drops!

Paying for a re glamour 10 times before level 30 is not feasible for a new player who is learning so many different things in game.

They will have lots and lots of time to glamour when they are more experienced in the game.

At least dye is super cheap for low level players.

[SethCypher]

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Except with the current Glamour system, even reducing the requirement to glamour to level 1 still requires you to have the real gear on hand. So you'd still have to progress through levels to look the way you want. Unless you use a vanity system that completely throws level and acquisition of gear out the window.

We certainly don't usually have people telling us that we have to wait to level cap in order to make use of a costume system. In WildStar, my level-capped esper managed to farm up the rated PvP set. I unlocked the appearance in the holo-wardrobe, and if I so want, I can use any of those pieces' appearances on any of my alts.

I've played a few MMOs where vanity was level locked. Hell, sometimes vanity was content locked behind an expansion or DLC. There are even MMOs made today that don't even have a vanity system. Not saying I'm not for this change, but to say that this isn't a practice in MMOs would be false.

[Evangela]

lol remind me an MMO that glamour stones can be purchased from the cash shop only.

you should be happy with what you have in FFXIV.

[Naunet]

you should be happy with what you have in FFXIV.

This is a really poor way to look at game systems. How about, instead of just "be happy with what you have", we actually push SE to improve where there is lots of room for improvement? Such as the glamour system.

In Rift and WoW, they have multiple costume sets that you can save and switch between freely (Rift has some 50+ costume sets; WildStar has 6). When you get a piece of gear, you "unlock" that item's appearance in the costume UI. This appearance is then usable by any character on your account, regardless of level. Switching out different appearances is completely free.These two games have IMO the best costume systems out there in any MMO, and I think we should be encouraging SE to improve their own system like these as much as possible. For example, they could start by lifting the class/job/etc restrictions, as well as making glamours available from either level 1 or at the same time you unlock dyes.

Games change and improve. That's kind of the point of a game that gets regular patches.

[Catwho]

I get the idea that this would be for alts and for role play, and everyone role plays differently, but it seems kind of.... odd to me that a level 20 warrior in a serious RP session would want to run around in anything except heavy plate mail. If you're in a non combat situation, nothing is stopping you from throwing on the level 1 glamour gear and making a special gear set for that - glamours aren't required for that.

You say this would be an improvement. I say it would be a total waste of dev resources.

Edit: Discussed with my FC, everyone agrees that level 30 would be reasonable but level 1 would just be too confusing and pointless.

[Noxifer]

You can kind of be all classes on a single character. I mean that is a thing.

Yes, but considering the argument started off as "stop with forcing people to level to 50 to unlock glamour system", I didn't read said example as someone who had classes at 50+, but someone who was still levelling their first class =) My fault, probably, but I'm hoping you can see it as a fairly reasonable 'misread' =)

And no, I don't agree with unlocking glamour things entirely when it comes to level/ilevel; I just think that being unable to glamour level 50 gear onto level 51+ gear because the ilevel is higher on the 50 gear is annoying. Which is mostly an issue for DoL/DoH classes.

I get the idea that this would be for alts and for role play, and everyone role plays differently, but it seems kind of.... odd to me that a level 20 warrior in a serious RP session would want to run around in anything except heavy plate mail. If you're in a non combat situation, nothing is stopping you from throwing on the level 1 glamour gear and making a special gear set for that - glamours aren't required for that.

You say this would be an improvement. I say it would be a total waste of dev resources.

Edit: Discussed with my FC, everyone agrees that level 30 would be reasonable but level 1 would just be too confusing and pointless.

No, it wouldn't be only for that. It's also for those stages where the game would force you to wear horrendously ugly gear for a while because of stats. Once you've gotten one class to 50, you can easily take care of that by glamouring good-looking gear on top of the ugly things, but... I would like that to be an option for anyone, not just those levelling alt classes.

Sure, you wouldn't be able to craft the glamour prisms yourself, but on the other hand that's still the case for many people who ARE 50, simply because they haven't bothered levelling their crafters to 50 to get hold of the level 30 recipes for prisms. So if the low-level people want to spend their hard-earned gil to buy prisms (unless they have crafter friends who like to help them out), I say let them.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I get the idea that this would be for alts and for role play, and everyone role plays differently, but it seems kind of.... odd to me that a level 20 warrior in a serious RP session would want to run around in anything except heavy plate mail. If you're in a non combat situation, nothing is stopping you from throwing on the level 1 glamour gear and making a special gear set for that - glamours aren't required for that.

You say this would be an improvement. I say it would be a total waste of dev resources.

Edit: Discussed with my FC, everyone agrees that level 30 would be reasonable but level 1 would just be too confusing and pointless.

"A waste of Developer Resources"
- Making Players Happier with little work.
- Making the Economy better.
- Making you able to help players easier.
- Making something actually rewarding and worth risking.

lol remind me an MMO that glamour stones can be purchased from the cash shop only.

you should be happy with what you have in FFXIV.

The reason SE has a forum is to help improve the aspects of the game and offer feedback to it and discuss it. Just because its better then poo does not mean its the best thing ever. Let me discuss it. It has room for improvement. I could go into detail that "all" armor should be dyable as well.

I don't think a new player can afford to glamour though...

Think about how often you change your gear when you level, you could change a piece of gear 3 times a day if you happened to get the drops!

Paying for a re glamour 10 times before level 30 is not feasible for a new player who is learning so many different things in game.

They will have lots and lots of time to glamour when they are more experienced in the game.

At least dye is super cheap for low level players.

Not really, you underestimate low level players. Some go out of their way to make money and one of them even outdid me. She bragged about her crafting and how she made 2000000 gil. Meanwhile, I with 2 level 60s and working on my third is at 300000 gil... Her max level is 23.

[Catwho]

Haha yeah I had a friend who short-stocked the lightning shard market and had six million gil at level 35. You don't have to be level 50+ to be rich.

I'm coming at this from the motivation standpoint. When I was a level 1 scrub back in 1.0, or back in FFXI, everyone running around in their cool looking armor was a huge factor in pushing me to level because I wanted to look like that. I was overjoyed when I got my Battlemage's robe in Brayflox's Longstop because it looked so cool, and that lasted me until level 40. Very few game pieces are truly ugly outside of the subligar, and below 50 you can get away with wearing slightly lower level pants and everyone will understand.