Why no "Plexx" system?

[RichardButte]

EVE Online and a number of other MMOs have "legalized" goldselling in the form of "Plexx", "Credd" or another similar item.

It works like this:
1. A player buys a month of game time in the form of an item from the FFXIV online store.

2. They can then sell this item on the Market Board in game. Other players buy it with in-game gil: NO NEW GIL IS BEING "CREATED" HERE!!!

3. Since this costs SE absolutely nothing, it allows them to "legally" sell gil, thus making RMT sites unappealing by comparison because there's no risk of being banned by buying game time from SE.

Seriously, I spend most of my time on /busy to avoid the constant RMT whispers. This would put a big nail in the RMT coffin and make SE more money to boot...

[Culfinrandir]

This would be classed by many as Pay to Win. It could also cause legal issues under various laws (I mainly know EU & UK legislation).

[RichardButte]

This would be classed by many as Pay to Win. It could also cause legal issues under various laws (I mainly know EU & UK legislation).

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

[BlaiseArath]

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

I kinda disagree? Yah, there are people who are going to pay-to-win either way, but sanctioning it will bring more people to "Pay to win". I'd like to say I know I'm an example of this. Guild Wars 2 offers a way to exchange their gem currency for in game currency, and while I've never participated in RMT, in a game like GW2 I do sometimes trade Gems for Gold in order to quicker level a craft. So the fact its sanctioned has convinced me to do it (mostly knowing I'm supporting the game).

THAT SAID, I think the problem itself would be SE can create gil from nothingness, it could drastically effect the economy. They could introduce a Buy/Sell system like GW2 but then they would need a special currency in game to trade with... idk. I don't think this is a great idea, it might help reduce the presence or RMT but It would impact the game pretty heavily if it was just a straight "Buy gil?" option.

[RichardButte]

THAT SAID, I think the problem itself would be SE can create gil from nothingness, it could drastically effect the economy. They could introduce a Buy/Sell system like GW2 but then they would need a special currency in game to trade with... idk. I don't think this is a great idea, it might help reduce the presence or RMT but It would impact the game pretty heavily if it was just a straight "Buy gil?" option.

There's no actual gil being created, though.

You're taking an item you bought with real money and selling it to other players who buy it with their in game gil.

Also, I've not looked hugely into this, but how much of an advantage can you really buy with gil in raiding and whatnot? Is materia melded gear from crafting the best for raids?

[Dererk]

People who want to pay to win are going to pay to win either way.

It's much better if they do it through SE and we'd see a reduced RMT presence because it'll gut the market for RMT.

Nope nope nope nope.

There was already a 60 page thread about this and most wer against it.

The way I see it most who would actually want this just want a way to make fast Gil.

[RichardButte]

The way I see it most who would actually want this just want a way to make fast Gil.

That's EXACTLY the point: people with less time but more money OUTSIDE the game would be selling game sub time to people who have more time INSIDE the game but less money outside.

No new gil is brought into existence, and it makes it so RMT gil is by far the worse option because you cannot get banned for selling SE's game time.

Meanwhile, it wrecks the RMT gil market because they have to sell their gil for SO much cheaper to justify buying it over SE's alternative, thus leading to VASTLY less RMT presence in game, including town spammers and random whispers.

It's worked great in other MMOs and it's a win-win situation for everyone except RMT companies.

Clearly, SOMEONE is buying gil from RMTers right now, otherwise they wouldn't be continuing to try to sell it.

The sad truth is that SE can ban all of the RMT accounts they want and it's meaningless: RMTers pay for these accounts with stolen credit cards or they hack people's accounts and use their characters as spambots. The ONLY way to beat them is to take the market for gil away from them, period. NOTHING ELSE is going to work...

[Mythian]

This would be classed by many as Pay to Win. It could also cause legal issues under various laws (I mainly know EU & UK legislation).

Pay to win would mean someone would have to get a major advantage by purchasing these that no one else can get. It is a gameplay subscription. You get literally nothing else but gametime for it. If someone else in the game wants to purchase it because they can't easily afford their subscription otherwise but the person selling it can do so then there is nothing but one player paying for another players subscription going on. What are they getting that is going to help them win that you can't get? Crafted armor or weapons? You can get those too. You can even farm all the items yourself and get someone to make them. Everything in this game besides what is specifically on the Mog Station or from past events is able to be gotten by anyone else. You don't get to call it pay to win if everyone can get everything already without doing this.

EVE Online already proved that isn't true in even the most remote way possible. EVE PLEX are sold worldwide to even the EU and UK with absolutely no legal issues whatsoever. PLEX is considered a content subscription and is therefore 100% legal in both EU and UK. This would be considered the exact same thing and therefore would be held under the same laws. Good try though.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

I am strongly against this. Economy's are very fickle, and any small jostle can easily make the gil not valuable, or make it more valuable. Its best to just leave this sort of thing alone, because lets face it, you won't know the actual in-game repercussions until it is allowed to happen.

[Dererk]

I still say no and there's a good example of why it will never happen.

FFXI its been plagued by bots for years and the like but they never put in what your asking for.

You put something like this in it would have a high chance of ruining this game this is not a free for all pvp game like eve and in no way dose it have a place here.


What we do need is a better way to report bots because I will never type out a full report because I'm a slow typer seriously I'm chicken pecking this as I type that's one of the reasons these people never get reported too many of them and a long a?? Report to fill out not to mention it doesn't help that there's no auto translate that you can use in it I mean for crying out loud even the server names sent in it you can't honestly tell me ever person can spell their servers name in already bad with spelling for crying out loud WTH SE.

Then we have to type out the stupid bots long a?? Names that would take a master code breaker a full year to find out if it even makes sense to call it a name. Then you gotta type in WTH their doing.


And the other real problem is the people buying Gil with their moms credit card lets admit it these people are scum. We need harsher punishments for these people. I'm not talking a 1 week suspension I'm talking more suspended till next patch.