Protect? Really important? Low level content

[Kazumac]

You're funny if you think groups nowadays will wait.

The OP said the person asked for it. I would assume they'd wait. I wouldn't do it unless asked. But if asked there is an easy solution.

[Fynlar]

The OP said the person asked for it. I would assume they'd wait.

Oh, maybe they'd wait for Protect, but they aren't going to wait for your cooldowns again after you switch your abilities back.

[Leiloni]

It is somewhat reasonable, but if you're stopping the run to ask a non-WHM for Protect before maybe... level 30, it does demonstrate your lack of knowledge of how the cross class skills work, and how much you overestimate Protect's contribution in early dungeons.. Not everyone will put it in their first slot, nor should they necessarily.

Before level 30 the only healers you have are CNJ and leveled down SCH/WHM/AST, all of whom can slot Protect. And you can switch what slots your cross class skills are in at any point. You can slot Protect in one, buff them, and immediately switch it back out and put Cleric Stance in. By the time you get to the first pack and actually need to throw out a heal you'll be good to go.

[Pells]

Do I get upset when PLD's aren't using Foresight or Bloodbath in Sastasha even though they have the cross class slot for it?
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I would like to point out that PLD are capable of cross classing Protect. They need to get conjurer to level 15 to even be paladins, and get Protect at level 8.

[Fynlar]

Before level 30 the only healers you have are CNJ and leveled down SCH/WHM/AST, all of whom can slot Protect.

Emphasis on *can*

They shouldn't be expected to have it, particularly because they are better off having DPS skills in those slots at that level.

And you can switch what slots your cross class skills are in at any point. You can slot Protect in one, buff them, and immediately switch it back out and put Cleric Stance in. By the time you get to the first pack and actually need to throw out a heal you'll be good to go.

Too much hassle for something unnecessary, and there's no guarantee I'll be "good to go" by the time fighting starts because I very often haven't been when I've tried fiddling with cross classes during a dungeon.

[Sida]

I too have Protect only as third after CS and Swiftcast. How I see it, especially on lower level content it only makes the healers job slight easier. Not putting it on the party I only marginally increase my own workload but if no one keeps dying or even getting close to it, it's not really vital. Quitting over it, or lack of it thereof, only shows the person had very narrow view of the game mechanics.

(Reminds me of one old WoD run, someone complained "gasp, both healers in CS" my answer "is anyone of you taking damage?" To which he admitted that no, no one in particular was in need of heals. Me and the other heal were swift to turn to heal mode if necessary.)

[Lunaxia]

It's just strange not to use it. As the healer, your primary job is looking after the party, and DPS spells should always take a backseat to that. Why wouldn't you want added defence for the full run at the cost of a few seconds?

That said, I changed to a new class for the first time (DPS) after being solely a WHM and on one of my first dungeon runs, the CNJ didn't cast Protect. Everyone stood around waiting for it, but nothing.

I was left very ????? ?? ???? by it, since it just seemed default CNJ practice to use it. He ended up being pretty bad though, so maybe that's why...

[technole]

Oh, maybe they'd wait for Protect, but they aren't going to wait for your cooldowns again after you switch your abilities back.

I don't care if they wait or not if I have to move Protect to #1 and Clerics back. The instances where this occurs a tank can take a few punches to the face without a heal while the CD occurs.

[ArcheDragon]

All this back and forth about it has really made me think about some stuff.

1) Trust your healer. It's easy enough to see if they are not new so you should trust that they might just know what they are doing. It's, frankly, quite insulting for a tank, or anybody, to try and tell you how to do what you do very well very frequently!

2) I will not back down from bullies. Their opinion on a matter is not matter of fact. If I, in my experience as a healer and having used reasoning and logic, decide that the group benefits more, directly or indirectly, from my having dps than protect, then deal with it! I guarantee that I have put more thought into it than a random tank in the duty Finder.

3) If you find a healer who isn't using protect in low level dungeons please take a moment before you complain to consider that no matter what you get them to do it will be very minor and may not be worth arguing over.

To clear something up, I didnt "stomp my feet" when I was asked "cleric stance?" I said something along the lines of "we don't need it for low levels, this will be faster" and they simply left. It would be nice if we could try not to make up wild fantasies so as to better make our points as I don't really need people making up my story for me.

[Seryl199]

1) Trust your healer. It's easy enough to see if they are not new so you should trust that they might just know what they are doing. It's, frankly, quite insulting for a tank, or anybody, to try and tell you how to do what you do very well very frequently!

It's kind of tough on this point, not sure if you tank much, but there are DPS healers that are bad. It took me a while to see this since I'm a healer main and queue almost exclusively as a healer, but some healers try to DPS and are entirely unable to do so safely. Since the point of the discussion is low level dungeons, the tank could very well be low level and not be experienced enough to tell the difference between a good healer a bad one right off the bat. It is frustrating that people don't put their faith in you when you have absolute confidence in your ability, and I think that's one reason why it's such a volatile subject. You zone in with the intention of doing 100% of your job and more, and people tell you you're doing it wrong.