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    Leiloni Kahu
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ArcheDragon View Post
    Cleric Stance has a much bigger impact on mitigation than protect does at that level. It would be hard to argue that a 10% magic damage increase isn't as good as a 1-4% mitigation increase.

    I also do not understand how you have made up this belief that I could somehow be implying that healers should only do what is absolutely necessary, and nothing more. I'm sitting here trying to get the ABSOLUTE MOST out of my character! I still don't think a lot of people understand that damage is a form of mitigation and my job as a "healer" isn't simply spamming physick until the end of the dungeon. There are many ways to keep people alive and damage is the BEST way to do so if it is possible. A dead mob deals NO damage while protect stops about 5% AT BEST it seems. If I could deal enough damage to kill everything before they needed a heal then that is BETTER, objectively, than letting the fight take longer and occasionally casting a heal. By dealing damage I DO make things easier. I make things easier for the tank, for the dps, and for myself. I make the run faster and nobody dies. What else do you want? Or would YOU rather we only do what is absolutely necessary and nothing more? Protect is passive and dps is active. To argue for protect in low level dungeons is akin to arguing for healers to not dps. After all, why aren't we spamming heals? That is what the healer job is, after all, right?!
    My question was, why are you so averse to doing both? You keep making up all these numbers to avoid casting one skill at the start of the dungeon. Why do you feel so strongly about not doing the most you can as a healer? Why is dps so important but preventing damage via buffs is not? It's honestly rather strange.
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    Archen Galmoren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    My question was, why are you so averse to doing both? You keep making up all these numbers to avoid casting one skill at the start of the dungeon. Why do you feel so strongly about not doing the most you can as a healer? Why is dps so important but preventing damage via buffs is not? It's honestly rather strange.
    DPS > protect as damage mitigation. I'm also trying to finish this dungeon without stalling the group by switching protect in when it isn't necessary. Why is protect necessary to do everything you can as a healer? If it has zero impact on the run, then why not start the run earlier and finish it faster?

    And I agree about causing less raucous but I don't think we should just sit by and let the tanks tell the healers how to do their job. That is bullying and I won't stand for it. If they don't want to argue then they could possibly just attempt to run the dungeon and see for themselves how possible it is to accomplish anything in this game without 2% damage mitigation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcheDragon View Post
    And I agree about causing less raucous but I don't think we should just sit by and let the tanks tell the healers how to do their job. That is bullying and I won't stand for it.
    You're kidding right? Please tell me this is a joke. He asked nicely if you could cast Protect and when you argued with him that dpsing was a better idea, he politely left instead of telling you how to play. He respectfully disagreed with you. If he was bullying you, he would have stayed in the dungeon and argued with you but he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    You're kidding right? Please tell me this is a joke. He asked nicely if you could cast Protect and when you argued with him that dpsing was a better idea, he politely left instead of telling you how to play. He respectfully disagreed with you. If he was bullying you, he would have stayed in the dungeon and argued with you but he didn't.
    If you don't consider the topic to be important then you are free to stop discussing it.

    Here is some advice on being respectful. If you're ever inclined to ignore a problem and just ditch people that you signed up to do something with, be sure to discuss your problem first. It should be clear to most people that the respectful thing is not to ignore it and walk away, that is the option of the weak minded and the lazy. It should also be pointed out that if your idea of "asked nicely" is "protect?" then you should seek to revise your definition of "nice".
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    Emarial Artayu
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcheDragon View Post
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    it becomes necessary in later content just remember that
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