We need a smaller objective-based PVP game, not more large-scale Frontlines

[Turin]

If we are going to continue down the track of making GC-bound PVP games, please look into making something smaller. Also, two factions, not three. An 8 v 8 would be awesome.

Some examples that were extremely fun are Warsong Gulch in WoW, Huttball in SWTOR, Murderball in Warhammer, and even the PvPvE Dredgion in Aion. These were all fantastic, small scale, objective based maps.

Frontlines can be fun, but we have the queueing issue where two factions are waiting on the third, least populated faction to queue. Also, an individual's performance in Frontlines can barely influence the outcome because it's mostly a zerg. While individual performance has influence in Wolves' Den, it is not objective-based PVP and plays much differently. A smaller map where two GC groups face off in an 8 v 8 objective-based match is just what FFXIV needs.

[Varick]

This is my biggest complaint about the new Frontlines map. Individual performance hardly affects the outcome of a match. It doesn't feel like Player vs Player; it's mindless zerging from one flashing, bright point to another with hardly any strategy. Oh, you're occupying the east side of the map and a node spawns right next to you? Congratulations! Free points.

These large scale battles don't feel competitive in the least. It feels as though I roll the dice to see if our team wins or loses and my contribution/skill means little to nothing.

Also, smaller maps would alleviate queue times. Easier to wait for 8 or 24 other people than it is to wait for 72(!)

[Guesswhat]

Easier to wait for 8 or 24 other people than it is to wait for 72(!)

More players increase Q time exponentially. However, when I try queue for wolves den, it still takes long time. I can queue for days without any matches. A bit unfair to campare with new content though.

8v8v8 should be the norm.

[Layth]

"But but but muh memory limitations...." - SE

[Turin]

More players increase Q time exponentially. However, when I try queue for wolves den, it still takes long time. I can queue for days without any matches. A bit unfair to campare with new content though.

8v8v8 should be the norm.

I want something that isn't 3 team. It takes away from the competitive feeling of a face off between two teams. Because two teams can gang up on one, it feels lopsided. Also, Wolves Den queue is slow because it rank matches, but also forms a team of one healer, one tank, one melee, and one ranged (all on the same GC). So you have multiple factors influencing the queue. If they were to do an 8 V 8 correctly, they need to do first come, first serve. Do not rank match. Do not form a proper team (people can change class if they want). If they keep GC in place, so be it, but it would be nice if they did no-GC affiliation. Anything to keep the queue moving and not putting artificial limitations in place that extend it.

[Xenosan]

There is no GC restriction in Wolves Den. GC-based teams is a Frontlines thing.

[Guesswhat]

Ok 8vs8 then. The gist was 8. 8 is the norm. :P

Are people getting any wolves den these days though? Before the patch, I went days without end with no WD. Probably queued 20+ hrhs total pr match. I know it's not GC based and that is kinda the point. They should be faster in that regard. But there is the class specifics that holds it back. + it's old news. Had everything been released simultaneously, and all modes being equally popular (scaled), WD queues would be faster, unless there were lack of healers or something.

[Velckezar]

We need duels and ranked 1x1 arena!
FF XIV will be №1 mmorpg with these.

[Nova_Rox]

Can we have a Ballista revamp please?

[Vandril]

We need duels

Yes!

and ranked 1x1 arena!

Absolutely not.