If you don't have a house and complaining ...

[StouterTaru]

You can decorate a FC house, otherwise they would all look the same.

If FCs are imploding all the time, then their houses would go up for sale, problem solved.

Name one single thing that you can do in a personal house that you can't in a FC house. The reverse is true for airship building, training others' chocobos, having your chocobo trained by others.

[StouterTaru]

3 - You're forgetting chocobo dying, and no matter how much you try to brush it off gardening is still a mechanic locked behind housing.

You can dye your chocobos at a FC house. If you think growing your own dyes will save you crazy gil, you clearly have no idea what goes into gardening.

[Elamys]

Why should we have to join an FC with people we don't know and may not like just to access game features?

I've yet to see one legitimate argument against adding more plots. What would really be so negative about increasing availability?

[StouterTaru]

Why should we have to join an FC with people we don't know and may not like just to access game features?

I've yet to see one legitimate argument against adding more plots. What would really be so negative about increasing availability?

Why should you socialize in a MMO in order to do anything for that matter?

You haven't looked anywhere if you haven't seen a legitimate argument against adding more plots. Every single open zone on every single world is using up server resources 24/7. How many resources should SE devote to a zone full of houses belonging to people that quit the game long ago? Should these dead housing wards take up more than an expansion?

[Elamys]

Or you could join an FC with people you DO enjoy playing with at the cost of housing, especially on mega servers like Gilgamesh or Balmung.

Tons of other games have managed housing no problem, so the sorry excuse of a housing system currently in place isn't exactly justification. It seems like they can't do much for the game without it straining the poor, fragile servers.

[Alleo]

You can decorate a FC house, otherwise they would all look the same.

If FCs are imploding all the time, then their houses would go up for sale, problem solved.

Name one single thing that you can do in a personal house that you can't in a FC house. The reverse is true for airship building, training others' chocobos, having your chocobo trained by others.

If you have to join a FC with housing to even be able to enjoy than it will likely be a bigger FC. And I am sorry to say but there will be only a selected number of people that can decorate the FC house..otherwise the house depending on the taste of the people will look horrible. And there is a limit for items too. Our old FC had a big mansion but in the end we always had to ask the leader for every little change...so sorry most of us can´t do that. And it does not mean that a whole FC implodes..but maybe you have arguments with some members and can´t stay there anymore. Thats what happened in my old FC. People change but not always for the better and before I play a game where I have to put up with FC drama I will leave that place..This meant that me and some others created another FC but even though we have the money we can´t buy a house because there is not even one left...

Airship building is also not for everyone it depends on the decisions of the leaders again. The same can be said about gardening..Can you imagine how hard it will be if there is a fc with maybe over 100 players and everyone wants to grow their plants? Thats nearly impossible especially if you have some mean ones that have higher ranks than you..

And all of this is only even possible if your FC has a house..

Again in the end its not our problem that SE choose such a system for housing. They should have known from the beginning that this will not make us happy..a non instanced housing system was okay for FC housing only..people had high hopes that after they took so long for personal housing that it would be something different but its not. That this will be bad on the servers is like I said something that they should have known...maybe you should not try to invent the wheel new and just look at your other MMO and try to implement something like that..

[Raven2014]

... and how does this topic get to the same old tired points that's been repeatedly argued back and forth a few thousands and yonder again? Always the same people with the same argument, almost like people love repeating themselves and equally love hearing the same counter-argument repeated to them. Not sure why the politicians in Washington are hated so much, I see most people act just like them. :P


The topic is started not meant to be another battle between those who have a house versus those who don't, or a debate whether someone deserve a house or not. It's pitiful to see players squabble among themselves for something that was clearly on the developer side. As someone who own a house, is a member of a very active FC with a mansion, and also unhappy with housing, let me offer a few "objective point" on this topic without taking side, something that obviously most people are in-capable of doing:

- If someone want a house - tell them to join an FC is not a (good) option:

+ You don't have free control of the house. What if you want an Estern theme house and your FC want a western style, you're out of luck.
+ Don't tell people that they can get a room. As someone who own a medium house I already find the item limits pitiful to fully create my vision, a room would be so restrictive that it'll be irrelevant. I know a guy who bought a room wanting to turn it into a music room, just to found out the piano itself almost took half the space of the room. It's like someone who wants a whisky and you tell them to go get a cup of water instead.
+ As someone who had been hopping between 3 FC (the first one the leader just stopped playing one day, the 2nd one to drama) I know how risky it is to "invest" something you don't have a control over. On my server, most of the primal decor cost 1.5-3mil a piece to make (and my house have 5 of them). Assuming the people who didn't manage to buy a house early for themselves, these would be significant investment. Tbh, had I not own a house, I would never buy an FC room either.


- If you want a house - taking it from other player is a bad solution:

+ There seems to be this warped-narrowed-mind assumption that I bet born from the bitterness and selfishness that we house owners are a bunch of exploiters, greedy bastard that deserve no mercy ... you know, like how people view the banks. How about ... no? You know how I got my house?

* I don't craft: yes I have crafter at 50 at the time, but I can't not even make 2 stars recipe, much less anything more than that. In fact all of the high end furniture in my house, I had to commissioned someone to make them for me.
* I don't play the market: never have the skill, the time, nor the will to do it.
* I played frugally: when other chase after the latest glamour, I stay in stock skin. You know how much I love the 3 star coat at the time and only bought it recently when HW hit?
* I spent hours after hours SBing in South Shrough, hours that other used to level another class, another character, or something fun. (Because SBing wasn't fun).

And, I manage to buy a medium house, on Gilgamesh no less, so you would understand why I don't care much about people who try to sell my their soap story on how they can't afford the house. And after all that effort, how do you think I would feel if I just gonna "lose" the house? I'm sure you have tons of thing you don't use at your house tucking in your garage, shed, basement whatever, how do you feel someone just gonna show up on your door one day and take them all away on the ground that you're not using them any more? I "earned" this house, it is mine to keep, and I will only release it with proper compensation.

+ Ever heard of the old ada of "shooting yourself in the foot" ? Usually people do it because they only see the short term benefit and blind to the long term. The people who advocate for housing to be removed from other players, maybe you will be a beneficiary of it today, you will be in the receiving end of it in the future. You might tell me now that you will never get bored with your house and you will never neglect it. Guess what, I had the same thought when I bought it. What? For someone who is bad at making gil like me, do you think I would sunk 40mil into the house if I think I would get bored of it eventually?

See, and this is the problem with the current discussion among player. As someone who own a house, I definitely can sympathy with those who don't have one, but when they say they want me to lose my house so they can have theirs, than I can tell them to get hike. As the same time, if those who have a house thinking an FC house or a room can be a proper replacement for a private house, you're just rubbing salt. But as long as the players squabble, SE can have the excuse that this is a player problem and not a developer problem. So ... have fun arguing.

My stand on this topic is, stating for the last time, which I bet will be promtly ignore as you guys keep arguing with each other again:
- Housing should be available for those who want one, and put in the work for one, can get one.
- Housing should be something that if someone had manage to buy one, should be able to have a full experience with it.
- And those two points above have to be done on SE's side, without telling the players to assume the burden. Our burden is our sub, and we paid it.

[Naunet]

Why should you socialize in a MMO in order to do anything for that matter?

You haven't looked anywhere if you haven't seen a legitimate argument against adding more plots. Every single open zone on every single world is using up server resources 24/7. How many resources should SE devote to a zone full of houses belonging to people that quit the game long ago? Should these dead housing wards take up more than an expansion?

Socializing =/= interacting with people you find distasteful.

You will never convince me that SE is anything but incompetent if server resources really are at such a premium.

[Alleo]

@Raven2014: Not to sound mean or anything but did you just not also repeat all of those old arguments? I mean I have read them all in this thread so its not like we post something much different. I have a own house too and was part of a FC with a mansion so I am on the same side as you So I am sorry but I am not someone that puts salt in the wounds..not every private house owner in this topic is like that. Who knows maybe the ones that wrote about FC rooms may not have a house? And who knows not everyone that is for a timer is someone without a house. I mean if they are going to keep this system than they need to make a chance. The question is how long the timer would need to be for it to be fair. But in the end this would be a bad solution to a (imo) bad system.

I even wrote in a post in this thread that I find it bad that we who have their own private house are not able to use the same functions as a FC house even though we paid the same as them. So I am not sure why we are the ones arguing and yet you bring the same ones too? ^^; I mean if someone writes a counter argument than its kinda normal in a forum to answer that. Yes it can turn into a circle but if anyone just post their thought and nothing more than there would be no discussion and we would not really need a thread.


It would be the best if the mods could create one big housing topic so we don´t have to post in more than three different topics and maybe the arguments are not that much repeated. Because in the end every new topic about housing does not bring that much new to discuss on its own and thats why we might also circle around the same old arguments.

[StouterTaru]

Can you imagine how hard it will be if there is a fc with maybe over 100 players and everyone wants to grow their plants? Thats nearly impossible especially if you have some mean ones that have higher ranks than you..

Looking around my FC's ward, 30 houses, 20S/7M/3L, that's a potential 43 gardens. Anyone want to guess how many have plants in them?

2, and one was a 6 bed garden with 2 plants in it

Either nobody wants to garden, or the leaders are being dicks and not letting anyone garden.