I severely do not like Bow Mage.

[RiceisNice]

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

Bards use straight shot as a regular part of their rotation. If they get the SS proc as they begin their SS cast, they get the full cast time without any of the benefits. SS is a tp loss and a dps loss if used more than necessary compared to heavy shot.
>> BLMS do not hard cast fire III while in astral. They only do it in umbral to go into astral or at the beginning of the pull (both cases you aren't casting fire I anyway to get firestarter procs) The only way you could have this happen is if you were to sharp cast fire I and immediately do fire III after...and they even fixed that in the 8/4 hotfix (while SS is still having the same problems when I tested it out yesterday).

And then you have the very nature of river of blood's interaction with cast times that can cause frequent pauses where you do the sadist choice of delaying your weapon skill or bloodletter (and risk losing a reset by doing the latter)

[RyuDragnier]

And we'r back to hearing same argument.
Bad design is not something that should be promoted.
BLM should have been adjusted instead not the same bad design given to another job and made it worse in the process, because it is worse on bard.

My point for mentioning it is if it isn't going to be fixed on them by now, it isn't going to be fixed for BRD most likely. It's sad, but it's most likely the truth.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

Here's an idea: Don't like it, don't play it.

[Alkel]

Here's an idea: Don't like it, don't play it.

Thats what many players do.
Problem is, we need BRD/MCH for end game raid end less and less people are ok to play a broken job.

[Velhart]

Thats what many players do.
Problem is, we need BRD/MCH for end game raid end less and less people are ok to play a broken job.

Can you please explain exactly what is broken? Both jobs currently keep up with the other DPS just fine and providing the support necessary to beat the hardest content.

BRD has an actual skill cap now and people say its broken because of it.

[Aiselia]

See BLM for how they cope with this, because this happens all the time with Firestarter procs, Thundercloud procs, and 3+ second cast times.

Bad design is not justified by having more bad design.

[hallena]

Bad design is not justified by having more bad design.

You're right. But some bards seems to be under the impression they are completely 100% broken and are on the verge of instinction when another class has been dealing with this shit since 2.0. And ironically ive been told be several class including bards when complaining about this to "git gud" "adapt" or "if you dont like it, reroll"

[RiceisNice]

You're right. But some bards seems to be under the impression they are completely 100% broken and are on the verge of instinction when another class has been dealing with this shit since 2.0. And ironically ive been told be several class including bards when complaining about this to "git gud" "adapt" or "if you dont like it, reroll"

And at the same time, some people still miss what some of the bards are actually complaining about and still get the wrong idea. And last I checked, BLM got their fire III not using firestarter fixed anyway, while bard still has SS procs not being used up.

[hallena]

And last I checked, BLM got their fire III not using firestarter fixed anyway

No they didn't.
BLM still waste a crapton of firestarter when enochian isnt up and waste a shitton of thundercloud procs when enochian is up
Pick your poison

[Duelle]

You're right. But some bards seems to be under the impression they are completely 100% broken and are on the verge of instinction when another class has been dealing with this shit since 2.0. And ironically ive been told be several class including bards when complaining about this to "git gud" "adapt" or "if you dont like it, reroll"

Most people are unsympathetic and can't see beyond their own noses. That and the internet unfortunately causes some to want to look like tough guys by saying they do things perfectly/adapt quickly/change does nothing to them. This is nothing new, sadly.