Goring Blade Pointless?

[Riamu]

I agree I am very very happy with our new additions, but as you are already aware I just think logically if we swapped Goring Blade with Royal Authority this will make our mp rotation our mp/dps rotation and having Goring Blade as a stand alone we will be inline with the other tanks DoT Abilities and maximize our dps quite noticeably.

True on The Clemency though, is a bit of a odd ball, does help when needed but not a highly used skill in raids I have to agree. It's the more oh shit someone needs that extra heal button lol

it just seems logical to swap the two around and either keep it that way or have GB as a stand alone like the other tanks, or hell move RA over and keep it as it is.

All in all I may not have suggested the right "fix" to this but from what I can see what I have said would be the most "balanced" improvement and inline with the game's structure.

[SirTaint]

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Goring as a stand alone would of course be amazing. Royal after Riot wouldn't be so hot because of enmity concerns but if they did put Goring at 540 pot as a stand alone I'd be willing to work around Royals low hate.

Clemency is a 3 second cast and gets interrupted, its a terrible MT/Oh shit tool. Maybe if your healers are just terrible you could find a use for it, but I haven't seen a single place we should use it. As an OT its castable but what are you healers doing? They have far better tools available and in the case of a tank buster they will have their rotation mapped out already. (and it won't involve a OT who should be DPSing instead) If the healers do require the OT to cast it should be SS.

Clemency should be a GCD cast. (ex Regen) Its instant or close to instant but cost you a GCD, it could even reset combos or be 50% potency. Anything would make it better then a 3 second cast.

DV is decent, but a huge improvement would be the shield hitting the PLD. Again its a bandaid since nothing will ever require it. If it hit the PLD then it could be used in a rotation. Instead the healers already have a rotation for any big raid AoEs. (they have to)

[Faytte]

Goring as a stand alone would of course be amazing. Royal after Riot wouldn't be so hot because of enmity concerns but if they did put Goring at 540 pot as a stand alone I'd be willing to work around Royals low hate.

Clemency is a 3 second cast and gets interrupted, its a terrible MT/Oh shit tool. Maybe if your healers are just terrible you could find a use for it, but I haven't seen a single place we should use it. As an OT its castable but what are you healers doing? They have far better tools available and in the case of a tank buster they will have their rotation mapped out already. (and it won't involve a OT who should be DPSing instead) If the healers do require the OT to cast it should be SS.

Clemency should be a GCD cast. (ex Regen) Its instant or close to instant but cost you a GCD, it could even reset combos or be 50% potency. Anything would make it better then a 3 second cast.

Basically this. All the things paladins got in heavensward come with a but.

HEY YOU GOT AWESOME DAMAGE COMBOS....but cause your base potencies and damage are crap, you cant hold enmity without rage spam.
HEY YOU GOT AN AWESOME DAMAGE SHIELD FOR THE GROUP...but you cant just proc it when needed and it doesnt effect you.
HEY YOU GOT AN AWESOME HEAL.....that is insanely slow, interruptable, stops you from defending yourself. Even as an OT you will be hard pressed to use it cause 3 seconds is an eternity to healers that are ontop of things.
HEY YOU GOT AN AUTO BLOCK.....and we just changed all the busters to be magic damage and thus not blockabale.

Honestly, this is why I shelved my Paladin entirely. Even small buffs wont fix them---and its no wonder the A3 clear required moving a paladin to a dark knight--their damage is really just too low, and its not like they needed any of the paladins tools to clear it.

[Brightsayge]

Basically this. All the things paladins got in heavensward come with a but...

Honestly, this is why I shelved my Paladin entirely. Even small buffs wont fix them---and its no wonder the A3 clear required moving a paladin to a dark knight--their damage is really just too low, and its not like they needed any of the paladins tools to clear it.

yup, they gave paladins all this "utility" but its not really raid relevant. You can take any other tank class with a higher dps and not suffer.

[Edewen]

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1. utter BS. With some str accessories, I would say about 50 seconds into any boss fight, i dotn even need RoH at all.
2. Who cares if it affects you as you have the most survivability. This is something to put up that protects the weak. Very paladin-ish
3. True, even as OT you shouldnt be using this when there is something to hit. But there are times when there is nothing to hit where it comes in handy. not every ability needs to be godlike.
4. Cant argue this one. Kinda of dead on accurate.

As for dps, i dont think it is a fair trade off to make paladins unable to compete simply based on a bunch of mitigation tools that aren't needed for the class at this point. Conv, awareness, bloodbath, foresight. Hell even shelltron in its current application are all things we can live without easily. Just let us be competitive with equal geared tanks on the dps front.

[GeekMatt]

PLDs everywhere: "We want a heal! Give us a heal! We crossclass CNJ and should have a heal!"

SE: "here you go, it's a bit costly but it's basically a Cure II which is pretty badass"

PLDs everywhere: "Yaaaaayyyyyy" \o/

*cast interupted*

PLDs everywhere: "SE Y U DU DIS"

really though, I get casts off as MT frequently (read: usually/most of the time). It's not your typical "oh shit" button because it's not that last second clutch move--it's a move that keeps things running when your healer died, or when someone just accepted a raise but the healers are ignoring them in preparation for raid damage. I've used it mostly as a precast when I see someone in danger/about to take damage, and the healer's clearly focused elsewhere.

[Riamu]

As I said at the start of this post, in terms of practical use Royal Authority has more of a place after Riot Blade then Goring Blade as it makes sense for a Paladin Damage Combo, the other being the Enmity Combo and use Goring Blade as a stand alone DoT skill like the other 2 tanks DoT skills.

If you get into a situation where you need mana back and if its off a single target (or even multiple targets) your not gonna finish the Riot combo by reapplying Goring Blade dot over and over, you'd be more inclined to follow it up with a heavy hitting dps finishing move like Royal Authority.

[Xenosan]

Aegis Boon == 1.0's Sheltron It blocked magical too iirc and recovered hp

imagine if Bulwark recovered TP & MP for each successful block.

instead of Shield Swipe there was Phalanx (did it give a buff?) and also War Drum - an AOE aggro gen that could be used after any block.

edit: Divine Veil and Clemency had 1.0 equivalents. Royal is the only non-1.0 addition unless I'm mistaken (could be). And as strictly a DPS WS - no utility or added effect - it seems sort of an unimaginative choice on SE's part