Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
Doesn't need to be atrocious, just needs to be randoms. Try queuing solo.

Or you need to be fighting a group at a similar level, which happens much more often with randoms and only very rarely with premades. When you've got 2 party members getting focused and 2 sets of SMN dots on nearly everyone, things get... 'interesting'. Throw in 1 or 2 people very interested and trying very hard to assassinate you.

But if you're never clashing with any other large groups you won't see that, of course. But sitting around on points is boring for everyone, I think...

All that said C'eve has been making me think I would enjoy the Den a lot more... but a lot of the new rewards are with Seal Rock achievements, or old Frontlines rewards I haven't gotten yet... :/
I tried as you suggested and queued for a few matches this evening solo. Here was the latest result:


As you can see, the match was pretty close, and the screen I included DID include my two co-healers in my party, who...did not perform so well, it seems. It was definitely more exciting than my usual premade matches, but it still wasn't as fun as being a tank or DPS in the thick of things, or trying to heal through being constantly double-teamed (as was the norm for Primal Adders during 72 Slaughter).

For the record, I don't think I'm "pro" or anything. I just think that while AST is really tanky, and that will have merits in things like Den, that it doesn't play well in this new mode. I think it wouldn't be so bad if healers got a few healer-only PVP DPS actions that scaled off their MND rather than their INT... They'll still have SOME offensive options, but on a cooldown so you don't get a repeat of the 8 WHM Holylol train that used to plague Secure.