Is Paladin in a Bad Spot?

[Phoenicia]

Snip.

I'm not contradicting myself at all.

Screwing CD rotation is an error all three tanks are prone to. Popping vengeance with ToB when you shouldn't for example means you will take the next buster without a CD. That's not an error that is DRK/PLD exclusive. Popping Unchained when a tank buster is coming leaves you without wrath stacks for IB.

Mistiming IB is a lot easier than mistiming Rampart. The latter lasts a whole 14 seconds longer, does not conflict with GCD so you cannot lock yourself in the GCD by mistake, and does not require an additional resource.

Popping IB at the wrong time may leave you exposed unless you use infuriate. But that is also a risk if in your CD rotation you need to extend IB duration with infuriate popping IB back to back to mitigate multi-hit busters.

The point is IB is more prone to additional error while PLD/DRK enjoy the safety of pop CD and relax for x seconds.

Snip.

I would love to see a parse of a DRK staying in Grit and pulling 700 DPS on a dummy... Never mind a real fight with downtime.

Lucrezia announced their PLD MT pulled 650 DPS when they cleared As3. THEY CLEARED IT WITH A PLD. Is PLD lacking? Maybe... Is it not viable? Hell no, it is very viable. Lucrezia is world second As3. What do you have to say to them?

PLD has issues? yes... So does every other damn job! DRG and NIN cannot AoE like BLM and SMN. BRD and MCN cannot single target like melee nor AoE like casters. But each job brings something to the table that makes you take them. Same is true for healers and tanks.

The princesses calling themselves PLD need to man up and stop crying about their job and learn to work with their powers around their flaws, period.

[Twilite]

No it isn't >_>.

[Skold]

Sorry OP, you make a lot of good points - however, just as we compared how Dark Knight would do in old fights compared to Paladins we have to look at how Paladins fare in the new content. The fact is new savage fights have strict DPS requirements and you are vastly underestimating how much Dark Knights do in compassion to Paladin. It's not 100 DPS, it's a couple hundred. Dark Knights self healing rotation is also their DPS rotation capable of putting up around 700 in Grit while ranking. PLD can't do that, it can't come anywhere near it. Not only that, we handle a majority of the tank busters better than Paladin. The time in between matters very little when we have bards and machinists recovering the mana of our healers and the amount of damage going out between tank busters being fairly negligible. PLD has issues.

[SirTaint]

Where is the PLD lol

https://twitter.com/Lucrezia_Alex/st...24619542286336

[Dante_V]

Where is the PLD lol

https://twitter.com/Lucrezia_Alex/st...24619542286336

You sir are the man. Makes me wonder where the 650 came from? Credibility blown tho lol.

And 800 is completely viable while MT as drk.

[SirTaint]

You sir are the man. Makes me wonder where the 650 came from? Credibility blown tho lol.

And 800 is completely viable while MT as drk.

650 mt, 800 st is from their announcement.


And fracture is dead to PLD, huge waste of DPS and TP now.

[OPneedNerfs]

LolWARs being delusional and/or trying to keep their status as top dog of tank classes.

[Phoenicia]

LolWARs being delusional and/or trying to keep their status as top dog of tank classes.

Hmmm, let's see here...

Is WAR the MT of choice?

Is WAR the tank that EVERYONE rolls when they realize their previous tank class is not fun/viable?

Is WAR so "top dog" that double WAR groups are so rampant and are running everywhere?

Answer these simple questions and then discuss their status as "top dog".

As it is now, WAR is pigeon-holed into the OT spot. Most tank players do not like to be set into OT. And I am by no means a WAR main. It is just that the amount of crying about classes is getting ridiculous. I mean DRK is crying about being "squishy" and PLD is crying about their DPS. Yet I don't see many cry-on-forums types demanding buffs to make WAR MT more often. Maybe WARs should cry about them being a last option MT. "First OT option" doesn't make them top dogs nor justifies them not MTing and everyone is saying PLD and DRK are "fine OTs". And unless WAR becomes "Best choice MT", it is by no means a "top dog" status.

[OPneedNerfs]

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Answer this simple question:
Would ANY party NOT bring a WAR to ANY content that requires 2 tanks right now?

So yes, WARs are top dog of tank classes now and should just shut up about other classes being fine and WARs being "weaker" and having oh so many disadvantages that other tanks somehow magically don't face as well.