PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[SwordCoheir]

I think getting rid of the stance penalties would do more than a simple potency change. Would be nice to you know, DPS in Sword Oath then actually be able to swap to Shield Oath for tank busters without A. Losing our combo, B. getting stuck on a GCD, and C. Losing 1/5 of our mp. I just don't see why PLD's have to suffer like that when every other stance job an flip through them on the fly.

[Brannigan]

I think getting rid of the stance penalties would do more than a simple potency change. Would be nice to you know, DPS in Sword Oath then actually be able to swap to Shield Oath for tank busters without A. Losing our combo, B. getting stuck on a GCD, and C. Losing 1/5 of our mp. I just don't see why PLD's have to suffer like that when every other stance job an flip through them on the fly.

Dark Knight actually has a substantial penalty for going into Grit - even worse than paladin. They do have an easier time switching into damage mode, though, since they don't have a DPS stance and are balanced as such.

[Rawrz]

PLD gets Healer LB3? <3

[Tadus]

Let's be honest, who doesn't just want Stasis Sword as an instant cast spell?

What PLD does not want this??

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

I don't even know where to begin with how to voice my worries about a class I've played for over a year (Paladin.)

I am terribly incompetent when it comes to knowing other tanks, or jobs in general for that matter. What we all need to do as players of this game is fucking listen to one another and meet each other half way on ALL of it. That's the only way this clusterfuck of an expansion is ever going to even out (at least until additional classes/jobs are added that make this a 4 tanks/4 healers/8dps.) Any form of odd number will ALWAYS fracture this player base and have one or more roles left out.

The only way I can think in near future with 3/3/7 being not completely abysmal when it concerns the "fairness" of roles is if we are reworked from the ground up to compliment each other like it was (sort of) pre-heavansward. We're at each others throats right now because Trinity doesn't work, we're all terrified.

I apologize for the foul language....sometimes it's just needed though.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

So returning to my thread and still seeing darks and wars that think plds are fine,

I will state why these two classes pretend that plds dps is fine its simple 2 tank slots per duty end of story so if dark is superior to pld which it is atm in most cases then you would go war+war or drk+war.

If plds got buffed to be equal to dark magic migration and similar dps then there would be more fights cause only 2 tank slots 3 tank classes. but just cause only 2 tank slots doesn't mean tank classes should be so far aprt with the exception of warrior.

[Phoenicia]

If plds got buffed to be equal to dark magic migration and similar dps then there would be more fights cause only 2 tank slots 3 tank classes. but just cause only 2 tank slots doesn't mean tank classes should be so far aprt with the exception of warrior.

Ehh? As a player who played WAR since 2.0 until 3.0 came out (then I switched to DRK and after that SMN), I'll tell you this my dear friend....

NO BODY CARES about your class if you're a good player with that class. I will ALWAYS take a good PLD into my group over an average DRK ANYDAY.

So no, 2 tank slots in a party is IRRELEVANT as long as people know I'm a good tank.

Heck, DPS aren't crying about DPS when there are 7 classes and only 4 slots in a party.

PLD DPS is FINE, it has other issues that are preventing it from doing its DPS.

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Sorry but your view on balance is stupid atleast wars are actually alil more glassy so their extra dps is fine darks is not unless they get defense nerfed midrange between pld and war then I would be fine.

You sir/madam, have absolutely NO idea what the tank classes are like.... DRK having the same PHYSICAL mitigation as PLD? Are you joking? LOL

Without CDs, PLD has 5% at least from the shield alone.

ALL of PLD's CDs are SUPERIOR to their equivalent on DRK. Every. Single. One. DRK only has a magical CD that a PLD doesn't have.

And WAR glassy? Are we even playing the same game? WAR has the HIGHEST effective HP due to combined CDs and super self-heals. Effectively, WAR mitigates more than PLD, only issue with WAR is it receives less effective heals (which is where the variance comes from).

You have no idea about the tanks balance if you can't even comprehend how their mitigation works.

[Tadus]

So returning to my thread and still seeing darks and wars that think plds are fine,

If plds got buffed to be equal to dark magic migration and similar dps then there would be more fights cause only 2 tank slots 3 tank classes.

No lol dont buff PLD. Drk hits hard because he uses one two-hand sword. It would be ridiculous seeing a pld doing the same damage as drk. PLD's damage is fine, i wont cri if they buff us though, but what we really need are adjusments in our skills and fighting style aka send him to the fun dep.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Sorry but your view on balance is stupid atleast wars are actually alil more glassy so their extra dps is fine darks is not unless they get defense nerfed midrange between pld and war then I would be fine.

[Sleigh]

oh but the fact is dark has the exact same migration as a pld and also did you know they are tank classes?

also on top of this darks superior magic defense too so superior dps sameish physical migration unless rng gives you a tone of shield blocks and the fact darks also have superior magic defense.

Sorry but your view on balance is stupid atleast wars are actually alil more glassy so their extra dps is fine darks is not unless they get defense nerfed midrange between pld and war then I would be fine.

Exact same mitigation? PLD gets a shield, Bulwark (DRK gets Dark Dance but that's still inferior), Sheltron, and a better Sentinel and immortality CD. Some fights this stuff isn't that helpful, mainly A4S, but otherwise it's certainly not negligible.

DRK's in a better spot for various reasons but don't pretend DRK's mitigating quite like a PLD is. It goes doubly so when you attempt to tank without tank stance, Sword Oath survivability is so far above no Grit DRK it's not even funny. How many of you guys are tanking the final phase of A3S without Grit? I can tell you it's a joke on Sword PLD.