PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Reynhart]

Plus will the content be balanced with that in mind.

When I posted my idea, the three tanks were balanced to offer the same overall DPS.
So, for any content based on a DPS check, the three setups would be as valuable.

As for surviving, you actually have a lot more room to balance it. That's exactly the case with WAR vs PLD for now. PLD mitigates slightly better than WAR, mainly thanks to Hallowed Ground. But the gap between the two is not enough so that you can derail from the usual setup of 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 DPS. So, when looking at surviving, both tanks are on par. Same is true for DRK vs PLD, even for strong physical fights.

[Wizhard]

So A3S was cleared with 2 warriors.
Eagerly awaiting the 2 paladin version...oh wait...

[MeeYow]

If PLD had the same DPS as DRK, DRK would still be taken for 3/4 floors because of its better/more frequent magic cooldowns and ability to reduce raid wide magic damage and allow nin/drg to be used.

WAR and DRK have superior utility through raid wide damage reduction. This is what PLD is supposed to have on its side as the "utility" or "defence based" tank but currently it simply doesn't. Veil is lacklustre due to its cooldown, clemency is far too slow and/or expensive for what is - little more than a basic cure. Cover is incredibly useful but this is far outweighed by the fact it is only useful at very gimmicky times.

Hallowed of course is often bought up as utility and is job defining but it is usually pidgeonholed into filling in for a gap in cooldowns because PLD cooldowns are generally longer than the other two jobs, at least useful ones for current content (See; first week A1S PLDs having nothing left for the final buster, DRK and WAR don't even need their invincibility cooldowns as vengeance/IB and Dark mind were always up)

Let's not even go into WARs slashing debuff.

If tank busters were physical or auto attacks weren't trivially weak/infrequent (seriously more frequent boss AAs SE, both for shields and blood price) PLD may be considered to have a slight edge over DRK defensively but the superior offence and AoE prevention mean DRK still has something on its side. WAR meanwhile barely even notices the change because it's buster cooldowns don't care about damage type.

For current magic based raids we have:

DPS
WAR>DRK>PLD

Utility
WAR>DRK>PLD

Buster Mitigation
DRK>WAR>PLD

PLD is currently in a sad situation where it is bottom in mitigation, DPS and raid utility for most of the floors. Partly because of the prevalence of magic damage, but making busters physical still leaves it behind in 2/3. This seems fair though, 3 tanks, 3 rough areas in which they can specialize, have one excel in each without having to differentiate by damage type.

Having one magic and one physical tank is absolutely pitiful design when your bosses only use one type of buster, one of the two is GARUNTEED to underperform every raid cycle, this time round it hit hard because the class that under-performs doesn't even have the damage to reclaim some of its lost ground. Flatten/Flare breath was a much better design.

[Reynhart]

Having one magic and one physical tank is absolutely pitiful design when your bosses only use one type of buster. Flatten/Flare breath was a much better design.

I also posted in another topic (Yes, I tend to post a lot...but my work is boring ) some design idea where you could "lock" a boss in one type of busters, so that you'll adapt your strategy depending on the tank you have intead of the other way round.

You can also simply fight two bosses at the same time, with one being magical and the other being physical (It could have been done with the Oppressors). Having them switch periodically would also force tanks to swap, which would offer something else to do besides popping your cooldowns at the right time.

[Faeon]

I also posted in another topic (Yes, I tend to post a lot...but my work is boring ) some design idea where you could "lock" a boss in one type of busters, so that you'll adapt your strategy depending on the tank you have intead of the other way round.

You can also simply fight two bosses at the same time, with one being magical and the other being physical (It could have been done with the Oppressors). Having them switch periodically would also force tanks to swap, which would offer something else to do besides popping your cooldowns at the right time.

But these are only the first 4 floors, no one knows what the next is going to be. It could be reverse of what is going on now.

[Reynhart]

But these are only the first 4 floors, no one knows what the next is going to be. It could be reverse of what is going on now.

Which would be as bad as it it now...but for DRK

[MeeYow]

Which would be as bad as it it now...but for DRK

This. A million times this. It wouldn't be quite as bad due to DRK dps etc but this really needs to get through to the devs. So bad.

And yes, I like some of the ideas about one of each type or locking damage, while I don't care exactly how it is delivered it would be nice to use this as an opportunity to make interesting content rather than a limitation on parties.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Want more dps? Drop vit, add strength. Already did that? Learn how to maximize your dps buff's use. Still not enough? Get good.

[Wizhard]

Want more dps? Drop vit, add strength. Already did that? Learn how to maximize your dps buff's use. Still not enough? Get good.

"Want more dps? Drop paladin. Go warrior."

[NFaelivrin]

Want more dps? Drop vit, add strength. Already did that? Learn how to maximize your dps buff's use. Still not enough? Get good.

Not sure if trolling or just stupid.