PLD dps needs to be buffed, current dps a joke

[Valkyrie-Amber]

yep I wouldn't mind pld taking position of healer if party decided to take one as that is the only way now to justify taking a pld at all.

If take pld make it take tank and a heal spot and give it an aoe heal as well as more mp, forgot what gladiator quest but the lead gladiator could use medica.

[Faeon]

yep I wouldn't mind pld taking position of healer if party decided to take one as that is the only way now to justify taking a pld at all.

If take pld make it take tank and a heal spot and give it an aoe heal as well as more mp, forgot what gladiator quest but the lead gladiator could use medica.

Maybe just maybe having a third tank class was the problem, should have maybe have been WAR is physical DPS Tank and PLD was a magic based tank. WAR could still do the same with the slash buff, but PLD would do something similar with magic buffs etc.

[Reynhart]

Maybe just maybe having a third tank class was the problem, should have maybe have been WAR is physical DPS Tank and PLD was a magic based tank. WAR could still do the same with the slash buff, but PLD would do something similar with magic buffs etc.

No the problem was having a tank focused on "surviving"...whereas it's only the basic requirement of tanks.
It's like saying WHM is the healer than can...keep everyone alive.

Duh...

[Faeon]

No the problem was having a tank focused on "surviving"...whereas it's only the basic requirement of tanks.
It's like saying WHM is the healer than can...keep everyone alive.

Duh...

Well that would mean somewhat giving all tanks equal survivability with equal DPS?

[Reynhart]

Well that would mean somewhat giving all tanks equal survivability with equal DPS?

Well, no...that would mean giving tanks equal survivability and something unique that could create different setups (based on OT, basically) where each setup would have the same overall DPS.

Here's what I posted on another topic (The idea is still that if you have a PLD as an OT, you only need one healer, and if you have a DRK as an OT, you don't need Songs or Turrets to give ressources) :

Let's suppose the following DPS numbers (Numbers probably not accurate, but the idea is there):

• MT : 600 (Since we're talking hypothetical adjustments, why not all tanks doing around the same DPS when MT'ing? )
• Healers : 300 DPS when they don't have to heal all the time, 0 when they're on full heal duty
• "Refresher" : 800 DPS since they have to reduce their damage to refill MP or TP
• Full fledged DPS : 1200
• WAR OT : 1000 (It'll be used as a base to adjust other tanks OT DPS)

First setup :Any MT/WAR OT/2 healers who can DPS/1 Refresher/3 DPS
600+1000+300+300+800+1200+1200+1200 = 6600 overall DPS.

Second setup :Any MT/PLD OT/1 healer full healing duty/1 Refresher/4 DPS
600+x+0+800+1200+1200+1200+1200=6200+x overall DPS.
=> So a PLD OT would need to do around 400 DPS. Even less than when MT'ing since he'll probably use most of its GCD on healing duty and probably only do incomplete Riot Blade combo to refill its MP.

Third setup :Any MT/DRK OT/2 healers who can DPS/4 DPS
600+y+300+300+1200+1200+1200+1200=6000+y overall DPS.
=> So a DRK OT would need to do around 600 DPS.
Same as MT. It could mean that neither of its stance should really affects its damage output, or that he'd use both stances even when OT'ing.

Again, my numbers are probably not really accurate but the ratio could be calculated to obtain the same results.

[Phoenicia]

Well that would mean somewhat giving all tanks equal survivability with equal DPS?

Tanks are already at arguably equal survivability with DRK being badly behind in Physical mitigation while not that far ahead in magical. The problem is there isn't much to differentiate between them aside from DPS and utility.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

war physical tank dark magic tank and pld a second physical tank that isn't needed but for some reason has healing ability's. but unless they lower clemency's mp cost or buff plds mp its still a gimmick skill.

gladiator quest lv 20 or 25 I know the lead gladiator used medica so if you queue pld que as a healer hybrid rather than a tank and adjust its ability in healing like so.

Heck even whms can tank and last as long as a pld.

[Faeon]

war physical tank dark magic tank and pld a second physical tank that isn't needed but for some reason has healing ability's. but unless they lower clemency's mp cost or buff plds mp its still a gimmick skill.

gladiator quest lv 20 or 25 I know the lead gladiator used medica so if you queue pld que as a healer hybrid rather than a tank and adjust its ability in healing like so.

Heck even whms can tank and last as long as a pld.

Hybrid, I think a few people asked for such a class, buy Yoshi-P San said not a fan of doing hybrids. I stand to be corrected on that.

[NFaelivrin]

There are, as I imagined, no PLD changes in patch 3.07, whereas DRK got a bit of a buff with their TP usage under Blood Weapon, so I guess PLD is going to continue to rot as the non-meta tank because SE thinks its fine and its not quite horrible enough of a class to go entirely unused like AST was.

[Eye_Gore]

so I guess PLD is going to continue to rot as the non-meta tank because SE thinks its fine and its not quite horrible enough of a class to go entirely unused like AST was.

Possibly because the issues, if there are in fact issues are only in a very small part of the game, outside of alex PLD has no problems. At that it just seems like its alex savage too. So maybe in 3.1 the may offer up something, but theres only a 50/50 chance they will and theres only a 25% chance of that.