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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samcaesar View Post
    One of my biggest issues with 3.0 was the lack of a whole reactionary Ishgardian group after the grand reveal, so dealing with them throughout 3.x wouldn't be so bad. Seriously it makes so little sense how the Archbiship was all "I can't reveal the history, Ishgard can't handle the truth!" and when all is said and done people seem to be fairly "Oh? Okay." about a whole life shattering reveal like that.
    Considering the peasants were treated like crap by the people high up in the church, they're probably happy because those jerks are no longer around. Meaning they have the chance to be happy without fear of being prosecuted for no reason.
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    Sylvia Valadis
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
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    I mean, I dunno about that. Like, no one really seemed to care until Francel was accused in Central Coerthas, I'm thinking a lot of lower class Ishgardians have a whole "Well, I can't believe Dave is a heretic! I thought he was always a nice guy. Good thing I'm a good member of the Church and would never be accused of heresy." I mean, it has been the main and only system of faith in Ishgard for the past 1000 years. You see plenty of foot soldiers (Lots of which come from the lower class) and random citizens either actively supporting the persecution of heretics (Or "heretics") via agreement or participating in it ( eg Soldiers helping hunt down and kill heretics) or just silently accepting it all. It's a game of witch hunting and dogma that's been going on for a very long time, I find it particularly odd that the lower class (Which iirc, have a little church of Halone sitting right in the Brume) would just all be like "Good ridden!" Like that was one of the main reason the Archbishop was all "Nope, no one knows the truth."
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    Can you blame them for supporting the persecution of heretics given what they'd been told for the last millennium, and the fact some were insane enough to turn themselves into dragons?
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    Anarista Tarnyang
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    There needs to be an Au Ra leader for Ishgard. After hearing (reading I guess) about what has happened to the Au Ra in the past, makes me want to take the seat and change the country in favor for my Au Ra brothers and sisters.
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    Frederick Blake
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
    There needs to be an Au Ra leader for Ishgard. After hearing (reading I guess) about what has happened to the Au Ra in the past, makes me want to take the seat and change the country in favor for my Au Ra brothers and sisters.
    Even Ishgard knew that they have gone to far by killing AuRas for now reason. Just beacuse of their look. But given the timeline that happened like 20 - 30 years ago?
    Now days they dont kill Auras on sight, just they arent kind of welcome. They dont accuse withouth a prove now, doesnt matter the race. But yea on those time they were crasy fanatic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
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    Pretty sure it was rather recent actually. Pretty sure that's the whole deal with the Auri girl in the WHM story line was revenge about that iirc, which makes it seem like it was a pretty fresh wound..

    I dunno, I can't help but feel like the writing with regards to Ishgard puts them way to much into a positive light. Carelessly supporting the slaughter of heretics, "heretics", and dragons? Well they've been fed dogma for a thousand years what do you expect! Seemingly fine with Aymeric stomping around and overthrowing their religion? Well the lower class was treated badly anyways, apparently they're a-okay with it, same thing with the houses too. Why aren't Ishgardians incredibly dogmatic and showing resistance to their entire religious system being flipped on its head ( like with conservative Ishgardian factions, maybe a civil war that lasts longer than 30 minutes, people in the streets trying to convince others that Aymeric was brainwashed by the dragons and trying to lead people astray or something). Alternatively if that's not the case completely, that means Ishgardians supported killed people because it was just easier than actually trying to prove that person's innocence or maybe let that instance of "heresy" slide beneath the table because they're not actively harming anyone. Like.. We know Ishgardians are able to separate themselves from their dogmatic lifestyles too, the Heretics seemed to be fairly reasonable sans a few instances like the whole plot in Central Coerthas (Any other time they've attacked us I think it'd because we were stepping in their turf iirc).

    I really hope we see more instances of us being put in opposition to Ishgard, either to any new conservative faction or making them work to pay off the whole "Killing heretics, "heretics", and dragons indiscriminately" deal.
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    The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

    The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

    The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.
    With the help of Obsidian Carby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990 View Post
    With the help of Obsidian Carby!
    I actually like the Ruby Carby more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krylo View Post
    The Inquisition is effectively fangless where the WoL is concerned. They may arrest and execute, but we know that an accused can request trial by combat to prove innocence and WoL took down two knights of the HW in front of them.

    The best they could do, given their 'judicial' system, is annoy us with a bunch of pointless gladiator fights.
    Some members of the Inquisition have done thing that goes around the Trial by Combat. While the Inquisitor in 2.0 was a fake he did use the same trials and tests that are used by the Inquisition to kill his victims like that test that a person has to jump off a cliff to see if he or she turned into a Dragon where if the person dies from the fall he or she is not a Dragon and is released from all charges despite being dead but if he or she survives he or she is deemed a Heretic and killed on the spot.
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 07-30-2015 at 01:34 AM.

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    Etoile Kallera
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    Im sure they'd be interested in being both a vital part of the new ishgardian administration, and making sure we have no part in it.

    Oh if only there was some foil, a being with the strength to pierce our invulerability, or influential enough to sow doubt and division as to our nature.

    I hear the moon is working on something.
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