Another comparation between AST and WHM

[Leiloni]

They should at least make Benefic II the same potency as Cure II, considering we have to use it more. >w>

Except we don't really have to use it more if you play well. The only time I find myself using Benefic II all that much is if the tank is taking heavy damage to where Double HoTs and Time Dilation plus the occasional Bole isn't enough mitigation to allow me to only Benefic I spam. But that's a situation of us needing better emergency healing CDs and not a base potency issue. Although even then, sometimes the duration of Lightspeed is all the Benefic II spam you need, outside of the harder level 60 content which is really what we need better CDs for more than anything.

[GideonHighmourn]

Also, Both SCH and WHM have a healing boost CDs. (Fey Illumination and Divine seal)
If you compare them with Synastry, Synastry, which is a cool and useful skill, becomes horrible.

I'd sooner compared Synastry to Selene/Eos' Embrace rather than Divine Seal or Fey Illumination. Embrace is a 300 potency heal every 3 seconds on a secondary target, available all the time (unless you for some reason let Eos/Selene die). I'm not sure exactly how that can compare to Synastry and burst healing in a given time frame, but since it's 50% of only direct healing (other than yourself) it's probably more comparable to having faerie healing on a single target for 20 seconds.

[Reivur]

I'd sooner compared Synastry to Selene/Eos' Embrace rather than Divine Seal or Fey Illumination. Embrace is a 300 potency heal every 3 seconds on a secondary target, available all the time (unless you for some reason let Eos/Selene die). I'm not sure exactly how that can compare to Synastry and burst healing in a given time frame, but since it's 50% of only direct healing (other than yourself) it's probably more comparable to having faerie healing on a single target for 20 seconds.

Wasn't it confirmed that Embrace is less than '300 potency' in terms of Scholar power since Eos/Selene get different scaling at 51-60 and thus its kind of, you know, misleading as a potency to quote? If it were really Adlo value there would have been a lot less tears throughout the month instead of cries of glitch.

Not sure Synastry should be compared to something significantly weaker.

[GideonHighmourn]

Wasn't it confirmed that Embrace is less than '300 potency' in terms of Scholar power since Eos/Selene get different scaling at 51-60 and thus its kind of, you know, misleading as a potency to quote?

It's the only available number I have to quote, unless you have a more specific example? As far as I'm aware, it's still a 300 potency cure but since stat caps have increase and scaling has been adjusted, it just seems less powerful from 51-59 than it did at 50 when we were nearing stat scaling caps.

Regardless, this isn't a topic about Selene/Eos' Embrace scaling. My original point was that Synastry is more comparable to Embrace than Divine Seal or Fey Illumination since it's a way to multi-target heal, rather than a way to increase throughput overall; you seem to have missed that.

[Geardagas]

Technically, AST is supposed to have a lower healing potency because the card buff mechanic is supposed to make up for it. Just like the SCH fairy healing makes up for any discrepancies in WHM to SCH potency. The issue is that the card mechanic is pretty broken at the moment making AST pretty useless when compared to the other healers.

Therein lies the problem. Our cards are basically useless, even more so now that they nerfed spread.

[Ghishlain]

Therein lies the problem. Our cards are basically useless, even more so now that they nerfed spread.

Out of curiosity, how'd they nerf Spread? I've heard this a few times and it seems... buffed to me. Not nerfed.

[Leiloni]

Agreed that Spread comment confuses me. The only change they made was to make it usable outside of combat which is a big buff.

[Reivur]

It's the only available number I have to quote, unless you have such a more specific example?

As far as I'm aware, it's still a 300 potency cure, but since stat caps have increase and scaling has been adjusted, it just seems less powerful from 51-59 than it did at 50 when we were nearing stat scaling caps.

Oh, I don't have a specific example. I'm just finding it dishonest (even if not your intent) when Synastry is typically used for a high dual tank healing or tank/prey CD for Benefic II (620 potency, so theoretically 620 potency Main Target -> 310 potency subtarget) to have people compare it to a Fairy's Embrace when Fairy's clearly not touching 300 by a mile anymore. Tooltips and misinformation and whatnot, but Synastry isn't equivalent to Embrace. On "Oh crap, pop the cooldowns!" situations its definitely better and comparable to real cooldowns. People acting like it isn't and its a 20 second fairy mode is over-reaching.

You aren't the only one I've seen trying to compare it to Embrace. So nothing personal on you.

[Roxas_Andrade]

I'd sooner compared Synastry to Selene/Eos' Embrace rather than Divine Seal or Fey Illumination. Embrace is a 300 potency heal every 3 seconds on a secondary target, available all the time. I'm not sure exactly how that can compare to Synastry and burst healing in a given time frame, but since it's 50% of only direct healing (other than yourself) it's probably more comparable to having faerie healing on a single target for 20 seconds.

Yeah, you could compare it with the fairy healing, but I meant to compare one cooldown with another. As F.Illum is a 20% heal buff, and Div.Seal is a 30% buff, Synastry is somewhat a 50% heal buff, but you can only use with single target skills. If the effect worked with skills on the same target or for AOE spells, you could do it a 30% buff - you'd heal only the target for 130% potency or do some AOEs or heal someone else while the target would still benefit from it. It would definitely be an awesome buff...

[GideonHighmourn]

Oh, I don't have a specific example. I'm just finding it dishonest (even if not your intent) when Synastry is typically used for a high dual tank healing or tank/prey CD for Benefic II (620 potency, so theoretically 620 potency Main Target -> 310 potency subtarget) to have people compare it to a Fairy's Embrace when Fairy's clearly not touching 300 by a mile anymore. Tooltips and misinformation and whatnot, but Synastry isn't equivalent to Embrace. On "Oh crap, pop the cooldowns!" situations its definitely better and comparable to real cooldowns. People acting like it isn't and its a 20 second fairy mode is over-reaching.

You aren't the only one I've seen trying to compare it to Embrace. So nothing personal on you.

Again, I never said it's equivalent to, less powerful or more powerful than Embrace, just more mechanically comparable to it than Divine Seal of Fey Illumination. It essentially is a 20-second faerie mode (read: multi-target healing) rather than a way to increase all healing potencies; whether it's more powerful than Embrace or not isn't the question at hand.

You're the one who brought up comparing potency, not me. It wasn't an attempt to be dishonest or to misconstrue information, rather you attempted to make it seem that way on my part.