Another comparation between AST and WHM

[Roxas_Andrade]

Just a thought here: do you guys think it'll be broken if Royal Road buffed the current card instead of the next one? This way, we cancel some rng without changing too much. And it could help AST prepare a little bit better.

Maybe it could work if SE swapped back the effect of Royal road, so you would make powerful bole/balance, spread arrow/spear and extended ewer/spire.
But I like the way it is now, you can have all the effects for all cards.

[Vlady]

Wow.I could support royal road being a cooldown that doubled the effect of your card in play.

[Adventica6]

whms throughput cd's divine seal/presence of mind + there 3 off gcd big heals is what makes whm a better choice and people know that.

As someone else said, it's not about potencies, it's about hard healing cooldowns that matter, divine seal regens, presence of mind cure spams, full heal off gcd tetras, insant no mana aoe assizes, swift cast holys, the list literally goes on.

And this is why there is a thousand threads on the issue.

[Roxas_Andrade]

As someone else said, it's not about potencies, it's about hard healing cooldowns that matter, divine seal regens, presence of mind cure spams, full heal off gcd tetras, insant no mana aoe assizes, swift cast holys, the list literally goes on.

I agree that it's not all about potencies, but a Divine+Regen heals 195pot per tick. You can cast it on the tank and do other things, like heal a DPS, DPS himself, remove bad status, Stone Skin everybody or whatever. (Some options are better than others).
Meanwhile, Diurnal AST cast his 100pot per tick Asp.Benefic and barely has time to do other things. Time dilation helps, but his regen is still too weak for you to focus on another matter. A Nocturnal AST has it even worse: His 250pot shield gives little time to cast a second spell to continue healing before it's needed again, giving no time to spare at all.

Sure AST is lacking some healing CD's, but increasing his Regen potency and buffing Noct would be an awesome change that wouldn't demand a lot of work. Just change some numbers in the code...

[Leiloni]

whms throughput cd's divine seal/presence of mind + there 3 off gcd big heals is what makes whm a better choice and people know that.

As someone else said, it's not about potencies, it's about hard healing cooldowns that matter, divine seal regens, presence of mind cure spams, full heal off gcd tetras, insant no mana aoe assizes, swift cast holys, the list literally goes on.

And this is why there is a thousand threads on the issue.

One thing too aside from just better healing CDs (which is definitely needed) is we need the ability to AoE heal people from farther away. WHM has Cure III and Asylum (even Divine Seal would be a great help in that fight when people are so spread out, at least you can get their HP up in less single target casts). SCH has Fairy AoE heals, Sacred Soil, and can Deployment Tactics their fairy (and Emergency Tactics for that matter).

I noticed this when I finally went into my first A4 and it was with another AST. The healing was severely lacking because when both of us are trying to stay away from the group and are at the back/edge, we can really only single target heal with the occasional Diurnal AH during phase changes. That is just not enough when a ton of people are taking damage and we can't just walk up to the middle of them all and AoE spam. Granted the rest of the group was not stellar, but double AST just did not feel like we had the proper tools for that fight. We only managed to get it down because he LB3'd at the end on our 2nd try...

[winsock]

Cure 3
Assize
Asylum
Tetra and bene
E4e and virus
Divine seal

Not just about potencies

Divine seal is just about making WHM a more potent healer.

I'll concede to Cure III and E4E. Of course, cure III's use is very situational.

ED and procced benefic II are superior to tetra and bene. The saves are more about cast times than potency, so accessibility is weighed more heavily than potency.

You're splitting hairs on Assize, virus, Asylum.

Its a tricky situation. If you make AST a more potent healer, you risk making it completely superior to WHM because their skills are so similar.

[Volsung]

Divine seal is just about making WHM a more potent healer.

I'll concede to Cure III and E4E. Of course, cure III's use is very situational.

ED and procced benefic II are superior to tetra and bene. The saves are more about cast times than potency, so accessibility is weighed more heavily than potency.

You're splitting hairs on Assize, virus, Asylum.

Its a tricky situation. If you make AST a more potent healer, you risk making it completely superior to WHM because their skills are so similar.

AST has nothing like divine seal, and you can't downplay assize, its medica + MP restore 10% ogcd. no mp cost
And Asylum is much better than CU as you can continue to perform other actions and move. You can't use
proccd bene2 on a whim, thats poor accessibility.

Again there is more than potency to take into account. I personally don't care about the lower potencies.
Its about making its kit more appropriate.

[WingsOfAzrael]

Divine seal is just about making WHM a more potent healer.

I'll concede to Cure III and E4E. Of course, cure III's use is very situational.

ED and procced benefic II are superior to tetra and bene. The saves are more about cast times than potency, so accessibility is weighed more heavily than potency.

You're splitting hairs on Assize, virus, Asylum.

Its a tricky situation. If you make AST a more potent healer, you risk making it completely superior to WHM because their skills are so similar.

im sorry what? why are you comparing bene II with tetra and benediction? the proper skill to compare bene II to would be cureII

[Leiloni]

im sorry what? why are you comparing bene II with tetra and benediction? the proper skill to compare bene II to would be cureII

He said procced Bene II, so he's saying in that situation it serves as an instant big heal in the same way those other skills do (albeit a very RNG reliant one).

[Volsung]

10chars

Yeah rng and 620 potency. Not bad but sometime free cure sounds better lol.

I guess I should go on to state what I think ast DOES need so that we might understand I dont want it to be the powerhouse that WHM is. Whm is in a good spot now.

Nocturnal stance. This stance is not inherently bad but the way Regens stack it leaves the stance feeling lackluster.

CU needs to be redone to be something unique and useful. In nocturnal this ability is just bad. I would suggest a barrier if people enter gain a thrill of battle cure hp bubble and a random card effect. Or a new card effect only available from cu. When people get their buffs move and it stops.

single target cures I think were fine.
Aoe cures could maybe use 1 more ogcd for throughput.

Cards a slight duration increase.

Maybe tie one more ability or trait into mp maagement.

Thats all I think is needed and still wouldnt stop sch or whm