Another comparation between AST and WHM

[Khyan]

To me sch need a slap in the face they got way too much

Please don't touch/nerf other job because your job is weak. It's wrong.

Of course AST need buff, but SCH don't need a nerf at all. SCH can't use his powerful CD all the time since you need aetherflow to use them, and some of his CDs are really situational (emergency tactics) or arguable (dissipation). It's fine as it is.

[Yhisa]

Please don't touch/nerf other job because your job is weak. It's wrong.

Of course AST need buff, but SCH don't need a nerf at all. SCH can't use his powerful CD all the time since you need aetherflow to use them, and some of his CDs are really situational (emergency tactics) or arguable (dissipation). It's fine as it is.

Aetherflow aint even hard to get....unless ur one of these sch that uses it for energy drain xD... and besides i said sch needs a slap in the face because they got to much... last time i check slap in the face does not mean nerf .... so do not twist my words u damn fool xD

[Cynfael]

Aetherflow aint even hard to get....unless ur one of these sch that uses it for energy drain xD...

Actually a fair number of your stacks should be spent on Energy Drain in most fights. Only in very healing intensive scenarios is it important to reserve the majority of your stacks for abilities like Lustrate and Indomitability (the latter having a 30 second CD, so it's hardly spammable).

[Miiu]

Aetherflow aint even hard to get....unless ur one of these sch that uses it for energy drain xD... and besides i said sch needs a slap in the face because they got to much... last time i check slap in the face does not mean nerf .... so do not twist my words u damn fool xD

If you're dpsing and don't use stacks on energy drain you are doing it wrong. Simple as that.

[EchuKayu]

Medica II also has a 5y range on Aspected Helios.

Personally I don't agree with the potency of spells being different and that there isn't any good reason for lower potency that you cannot counter with something either the AST or the other two healers have to make them comparable so that the potency really shouldn't be what it is. The main job of a healer is to heal, so the potency shouldn't be any different due to support/utility, which funny enough SCH/WHM have more, and better of, for healing. We just have a lot of use from cards, which doesn't justify it.

[winsock]

Personally I don't agree with the potency of spells being different and that there isn't any good reason for lower potency

Assume for a moment that the potencies of WHM and AST were the same. Why should anyone take a WHM at that point? AST would basically be a WHM + card buffs with better access to insta-heals, and the option to change to a shield spec.

[Parawill]

Assume for a moment that the potencies of WHM and AST were the same. Why should anyone take a WHM at that point? AST would basically be a WHM + card buffs with better access to insta-heals, and the option to change to a shield spec.

Even if they were the same, White Mages would be chosen over AST as their utility is gimicky and has a lot of flaws. On paper, their buffs are great, but in practicality (factoring RNG), it's not amazing and is only really "nice to have."

In addition to that, White Mages have more heals over Astrologians which makes them safer in terms of survivability. Cure III can be used in specific situations; however, provides bulky heals with a shorter cast-time thus making it an effective HP per GCD heal (though not really mana efficient unless hitting multiple targets). Assize, Tetragrammaton and Benediction are all off-GCD heals which instantly beats Astrologians, especially since Assize is an instant-AoE heal that costs no mana. Astrologians do not have any means of catching up in AoE heals in exception to crit heals, and Essential Dignity is our only single-target off-GCD heal that provides burst or emergency healing. Plus, White Mages have Divine Seal and Presence of Mind which boosts HPS instrumentally on all heals which is something Astrologians can't do x_x

Coming from Alex Savage, if an Astrologian burns Essential Dignity and its on CD during double prey & follow-up tank buster, you're going to heavily rely on the other healer as Synastry is generally not enough to keep the tank above 80% with double CD. (Or it could be tanks not using mitigation to help... Lots of variables, but that's besides the point)

As for instant casts, though it looks like Astrologians have more "insta-heals" that are clutch, it's not really as it's essentially four swift casted heals that limits HPS due to the global cooldown timer. I'd say Lightspeed is more of a mana management and utility spell more than a healing cooldown.

[winsock]

If both jobs had exactly the same level, you could still bring whatever job you like most.

You didn't answer the question. If AST didn't have the weaknesses it has currently, why take a WHM at all? Potency is all the WHM brings to the table. If that potency difference ever becomes meaningless, AST will always be the superior option. AST needs to have meaningful weaknesses and strengths compared to WHM.

[Miiu]

Wait are you saying that if the available heals AST has get their potencies increased to the equivalent of WHM potencies. People would stop bringin WHMs and instead go for AST only?
Brb there is a desk somwhere were I have to plant my face on.

[winsock]

Wait are you saying that if the available heals AST has get their potencies increased to the equivalent of WHM potencies. People would stop bringin WHMs and instead go for AST only?
Brb there is a desk somwhere were I have to plant my face on.

You should pace yourself, it sounds like you planted your face on that desk one too many times already, plus you didn't have an answer.

If AST healing was as effective as WHM at healing, AST = WHM + cards + more accessible insta-heals. Why should anyone take WHM at that point?