Will we ever see group content that isn't a dungeon on rails?

[DukeBurden]

Let's see what 3.1 brings us.

LOL! Is this a joke? You KNOW what 3.1 is gonna bring. 3 new dungeons, 1 new Ex Primal and since this is an odd number patch, a completely facerollable, sleepwalk 24man raid. This game has seen the same formula of content release since 2.1 and I don't see it changing at all.

[StrejdaTom]

fates and hunts want to say hello to you.

Hunts and FATEs are just huge HP bags offering no fun and no challenge.

LOL! Is this a joke? You KNOW what 3.1 is gonna bring. 3 new dungeons, 1 new Ex Primal and since this is an odd number patch, a completely facerollable, sleepwalk 24man raid. This game has seen the same formula of content release since 2.1 and I don't see it changing at all.

This.

[Myric]

How about some Everquest style dungeons.

[BHGlobbd]

This was already the case in 2.0 Beta, the dungeons were super long, with multiple bosses. If you killed all the optional bosses, you got more treasure chests at the end. Do you know what the response to this was? A big NO, the community didnt want it.

[Whiteroom]

I would love to see something like annope world dungeon, even if they just impliment one as a feeler. Tbh, I don't know how they would set it up so that it wasnt a hunt like zerg that was barren after a few weeks or months. I would lime to see them throw the odd thing that is a diierent set up. But I'm sure the forums would well up with threads crying about every aspect of it, real or imagined.

[Shurrikhan]

TLD;DR, Devs can make better dungeons, but players dont want them. They want short, sharp highly rewarding runs they can blast through.

Just clearly not all the players.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Pvp.

10char

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

Well if the "community" doesn't want more complex content they don't have to run it, simple as that. They can keep doing their dungeons.

Eventually, people are going to get to a point where running dungeons becomes a tirelessly job and the devs will be forced to create a variety of content that people can actually enjoy, for the simple reason of keeping players' interest to keep subscribing. It's that simple, players that don't have fun will just stop subbing. The getting burned out and bored of dungeons is being experienced by people already, both on the forums and in the game from what I've seen. I can even speak for myself.

I am sure the Devs know they have to add variety to the game or people will start losing interest.

Those players that don't want variety don't represent the community as a whole. I am sure they will get burned out of it too someday and will eventually look forward to different types of content. Unless... their definition of fun means doing the same thing over and over, like robots. Though I am sure they are humans and not robots... right... right?!

I would suggest something like Nyzul Isle. That was super fun. Different and randomized rooms with different objectives and restrictions each with a boss every 20 floors. And yes, the game registered and saved your progress... you didn't have to start over again everytime you went in. You'd just start from the last cleared floor.

Let me add to this (incoming long post lol):

A whole run consisted of mainly 5 floors in 30 mins. If you could do more in that time, the better you'd get rewarded, but the norm was usually 5 iirc. The game saved your progress every floor but you could only start at floors 1,6,11,16, etc. So say you'd beat floor 5, next time you could start at 6.

Each floor was random, with different types of floor objectives to list: Kill all enemies, kill only specified enemy, kill enemy leader, activate all lamps either just one, find all and activate at same time or find all and decipher the order in which they should be activated (this one was a time consumer lol people hated this objective) or if you got lucky, you'd get a free floor! You could find random outside world NMs inside the rooms, with a chance to drop ??? armor, which you had to turn it at a chance of getting their coveted shiny drop.

Every 20 floors there was a random boss. If you defeated the boss, it'd drop 2 pieces of armor.

Sometimes, there were restrictions like "do not get sighted by certain mobs" or "dont kill certain mobs (in this case archaic gears that would always aggro you and make your life harder) on each floor. If you failed to follow this, you'd get penalized with minus one minute timer from the total 30 mins or receive less tokens. There were also "Cannot use healing magic (ouch! this one was horrible, luckily never saw it often)" "cannot use weaponskills (lol this one was fun)" and other random restrictions thati can't remember at the moment. Of course it wasn't all restrictions and you could get random buffs like increased haste, TP regen? etc.

Once you cleared the 100 floors, you could just pick the set of floors you wanted to farm (16-20, 56-60, 96-100). There was a harder version of nyzul isle that came after, where you always had to start from floor 1 but could choose the floor you wanted to reach. Then you'd jump floors randomly instead of one by one, say you'd be on floor 15 and get a jump to floor 19, complete objectives and so on, until you reached your chosen floor.

You'd receive tokens that you could exhange for temporary items to help you through your runs (TP wings, haste, attack, accuracy potions, elixirs, etc). On nyzul isle hard mode, you'd get tokens that you could save up to exhange them for gear in case your desired piece wasn't dropping.

I think something like this would work well in this game. Though communication would be a hard thing if done on DF... specially on objectives such as the lamp. But..maybe this would force people to stop being zombies everytime someone says Hello! in party and actually communicate like human beings?! Crazy I know.

[bbkkristian]

LOL! Is this a joke? You KNOW what 3.1 is gonna bring. 3 new dungeons, 1 new Ex Primal and since this is an odd number patch, a completely facerollable, sleepwalk 24man raid. This game has seen the same formula of content release since 2.1 and I don't see it changing at all.

The sad part is that you're absolutely right.

[Aegrus]

You say people don't want it. However, judging by the difficulty the average player has with Alexander 1-4, I think Yoshi P. is giving a large amount of players more challenge than they can handle. I mean, they may have to accept they aren't the best player in the world and can barely handle content with training wheels. The content that some people want (sadly a small minority), is something the majority can't handle.

I mean really...people struggle with ravana and bismarck EX, do you really think they could handle something that is completely random, that requires rapid critical thinking, and even then has no guarantee of success? I would love a game that offered the later, but I am at least aware enough to know that a game like that would not be large for long and would just have a small niche player base that this game can not survive off of (Profits to keep servers up and executives happy).

This whole cry of balance, in a noncompetitive(more PVE driven) MMO is a more recent cry. You can play any class in this game, and sometimes a class may be better suited for an encounter and event. If you are tied to a single class, yet desire harder content, I don't believe you can handle harder content than this game offers.