Weekly cap vs accumulative cap

[dekal]

This is just a game if u can't make it, ur life won't end. I've been in those times when I couldnt complete my cap of the week cuz my RL was more important such as work/school/hanging out with friends/travel to another places/going to the movies, etc. Why do we need to have everything. If u need to cap ur tomes of the week then u r showing that u see the game as another job.

[Evergrey]

yes, i read it.

so your position amounts to.
Not enough time for yourself? Sucks for you, fix your life.
Too much time for yourself? Sucks for you too, "play the game" harder, "fix" your life.

shouldn't they fix the game instead? why does that have to be the way the game is? what is wrong with his proposed system?

the Leve system is better and is already part of the game.

I dunno where you got the "Too much time for yourself? Sucks for you too, "play the game" harder, "fix" your life.", I never wrote anything about "too much time for yourself". =/ If you had too much time for yourself you could easily spare some time for a dungeon a day, so there would be no problem to begin with.

Why does it have to be the way the game is? Well, last time I checked I could not do anything the game wasn't programed for. So we have to bid to the rules of the game as how it is for now. If they change it sure, then you can.
I also never said I was against the idea, just said that all it require is 30 min a day to cap before the week is over. And that if you are working & studying so much each day that 30min is out of the question, you might be working too much. Don't you think?

And finally, how some people will always fall behind. Tell me, does everyone in the game have everything that everyone else does? yes/no? And why is that?
It was just a simple fact, nothing personal.

[Evergrey]

Thal's balls why are you using the abomination that is comic sans

I like to see how people react.

Also, not always using it. Most for fun atm.

[PenelopeWinn]

Couple questions.
1) Lets say I quit the game for two months right as Esos get released. Should I be allowed to start back up and have auto access to accumulate 3600 tomes and be just as geared as the people who payed 30 bucks and put in the work?
2) Lets say I kept playing the game for those two months. All I did with my time was spend it lvling DoH / Dol, and then using them and I made 200 mil Gil. I can now get all of the tomes I missed, be rich, and be as geared as the people who focused on the tomes. Is this fair?

p.s. I don't have an actual opinion as to if I like the idea or not. Kinda indifferent.

[Niwashi]

1) Lets say I quit the game for two months right as Esos get released. Should I be allowed to start back up and have auto access to accumulate 3600 tomes and be just as geared as the people who payed 30 bucks and put in the work?
2) Lets say I kept playing the game for those two months. All I did with my time was spend it lvling DoH / Dol, and then using them and I made 200 mil Gil. I can now get all of the tomes I missed, be rich, and be as geared as the people who focused on the tomes. Is this fair?

I'd assume you only accumulate allowance points while you have an active account. Does anyone know how leve allowances work in that regard? If you're down to say 20 leve allowances when you drop your subscription, then a couple months later you resubscribe, would you come back to the 20 allowances you'd left (plus maybe another half-dozen or so for that day), or would you come back to a full 100 leve allowances?

As for putting in the work, you'd still need to put in all the work it takes to earn the tomes. You'd simply have more allowances to grind through. If anything, the person who waits and tries to catch up by grinding more tomes at once has to do a bit more work to earn them, since you wouldn't have things like the once-a-day Roulette bonus helping you along. The difference would be that currently you're not allowed to put in that extra work to catch up, and with this proposed accumulating allowance version, you could.

[Airget]

I think the mentality comes down to this capping esoterics in the most time efficient manner is tied to doing dailies.

Asking the developers to code in an accumulative cap is a bit tricky because you are in a sense asking them to compensate for a small variety of playerbase which would be those with an extremely erratic schedule. Ask yourself this if you have an accumulative cap compared to a weekly cap, how much more time is it going to take to fulfil the accumulative cap.

We'll say yes 7 days= 75(daily) otherwise it's 40 a run.

So to get to 450 it takes 6 runs, you have one left over, so you could say ya that's added to the "accumulative" 900 so now you are 525/900 meaning you still need 375. Now only getting 40 a run you have to run at least 10 dungeons to gain that.

Now let's look at it again, If you can just log on a day you only need to do 6 dungeon runs to cap esoteric, if you can find time each day just to play you only spend maybe 6hrs capping and even then as you are waiting for queue you can do other things while waiting, just stay alert.

However now we assume 1hr per dungeon give take queue time, let's go with 45 mins and 1hr so after those 7 days if you were able to make use of those dailies and still have 375 esoterics to get then you could still need to spend an additional 8 and half-10hrs of additional dungeons just to cap to 900 for a total of 14 and a half-16hrs spent playing in that one week compared to the potential of 6hrs spent each week, for a total of 12hrs capping in that manner.

I'm certain they have considered the idea of accumulative "cap" but when you notice the increased time it would take to cap in that manner they may have thought it wasn't worth the time to implement because the use of such a system is very very minimal at best.

[PenelopeWinn]

Reasonable Points

They give you more daily as normal when unsubbed (personally took a break and came back to 100).
I'll agree with you on the more technical work thing, but my point with question 2 is that, generally speaking, you can sell something the first week of a new patch for 10m and 7 weeks later the price will be all the way down to 1m. If that makes sense.

[Niwashi]

We'll say yes 7 days= 75(daily) otherwise it's 40 a run.

So to get to 450 it takes 6 runs, you have one left over, so you could say ya that's added to the "accumulative" 900 so now you are 525/900 meaning you still need 375. Now only getting 40 a run you have to run at least 10 dungeons to gain that.

Now let's look at it again, If you can just log on a day you only need to do 6 dungeon runs to cap esoteric, if you can find time each day just to play you only spend maybe 6hrs capping and even then as you are waiting for queue you can do other things while waiting, just stay alert.

However now we assume 1hr per dungeon give take queue time, let's go with 45 mins and 1hr so after those 7 days if you were able to make use of those dailies and still have 375 esoterics to get then you could still need to spend an additional 8 and half-10hrs of additional dungeons just to cap to 900 for a total of 14 and a half-16hrs spent playing in that one week compared to the potential of 6hrs spent each week, for a total of 12hrs capping in that manner.

I wasn't too clear on what your example was using as 1hr and what as 45 mins, or how they match up to your time totals, so for a simpler version, just count # of runs:

Player A, week 1: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450
Player A, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

Player B, week 1: does other stuff, letting allowances accumulate
Player B, week 2: does 7 runs for 75 tomes each and 10 runs for 40 tomes each, hitting his max of 900

Both players end up with 900 tomes. Player A managed that with just 12 runs and it took 17 runs for player B, due to a lack of daily bonuses, so this is a pattern that encourages regular daily activity. But it encourages it without outright requiring it, since either pattern is perfectly feasible.



Compare this to the current system, which would be:

Player A, week 1: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450
Player A, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

Player B, week 1: does other stuff, losing this week's chance entirely
Player B, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

This ends with Player A having 900 tomes and player B having only 450, and with nothing Player B can ever do to make that up. He'll be permanently locked 450 points behind player A for as long as A continues. This is why I described it earlier as punishing you for wanting to vary your routine and try other things.

[Evergrey]

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It's not permanently. It lasts untill player A got everything and won't get more and player B reaches up to him. Just like how it was when I first started playing, people were running around with their AF1 gear when I was just a "weed". In the end I got up to their lvl and got my own gear and I was equal, and had to wait a long time before anything new came along to grind up.
You will never be left behind permanently. It will only require some more time for you to catch up, that's all.

[Malevicton]

y'all make it sound like way more of a time commitment than it is. Can't do your expert a couple days? Throw in a few extra dungeons on the day you have time. You also get plenty while farming tokens for alex nm. A roulette a day lines up nicely, but it's not the only way to get eso. Plenty of stuff gives you eso. Play the game any half significant amount of time (don't have to "fix your life" or whatever) and you'll get capped. I'm usually capped by Thursday or Friday just from dickin around.