Weekly cap vs accumulative cap

[PenelopeWinn]

Reasonable Points

They give you more daily as normal when unsubbed (personally took a break and came back to 100).
I'll agree with you on the more technical work thing, but my point with question 2 is that, generally speaking, you can sell something the first week of a new patch for 10m and 7 weeks later the price will be all the way down to 1m. If that makes sense.

[Airget]

I think the mentality comes down to this capping esoterics in the most time efficient manner is tied to doing dailies.

Asking the developers to code in an accumulative cap is a bit tricky because you are in a sense asking them to compensate for a small variety of playerbase which would be those with an extremely erratic schedule. Ask yourself this if you have an accumulative cap compared to a weekly cap, how much more time is it going to take to fulfil the accumulative cap.

We'll say yes 7 days= 75(daily) otherwise it's 40 a run.

So to get to 450 it takes 6 runs, you have one left over, so you could say ya that's added to the "accumulative" 900 so now you are 525/900 meaning you still need 375. Now only getting 40 a run you have to run at least 10 dungeons to gain that.

Now let's look at it again, If you can just log on a day you only need to do 6 dungeon runs to cap esoteric, if you can find time each day just to play you only spend maybe 6hrs capping and even then as you are waiting for queue you can do other things while waiting, just stay alert.

However now we assume 1hr per dungeon give take queue time, let's go with 45 mins and 1hr so after those 7 days if you were able to make use of those dailies and still have 375 esoterics to get then you could still need to spend an additional 8 and half-10hrs of additional dungeons just to cap to 900 for a total of 14 and a half-16hrs spent playing in that one week compared to the potential of 6hrs spent each week, for a total of 12hrs capping in that manner.

I'm certain they have considered the idea of accumulative "cap" but when you notice the increased time it would take to cap in that manner they may have thought it wasn't worth the time to implement because the use of such a system is very very minimal at best.

[Niwashi]

We'll say yes 7 days= 75(daily) otherwise it's 40 a run.

So to get to 450 it takes 6 runs, you have one left over, so you could say ya that's added to the "accumulative" 900 so now you are 525/900 meaning you still need 375. Now only getting 40 a run you have to run at least 10 dungeons to gain that.

Now let's look at it again, If you can just log on a day you only need to do 6 dungeon runs to cap esoteric, if you can find time each day just to play you only spend maybe 6hrs capping and even then as you are waiting for queue you can do other things while waiting, just stay alert.

However now we assume 1hr per dungeon give take queue time, let's go with 45 mins and 1hr so after those 7 days if you were able to make use of those dailies and still have 375 esoterics to get then you could still need to spend an additional 8 and half-10hrs of additional dungeons just to cap to 900 for a total of 14 and a half-16hrs spent playing in that one week compared to the potential of 6hrs spent each week, for a total of 12hrs capping in that manner.

I wasn't too clear on what your example was using as 1hr and what as 45 mins, or how they match up to your time totals, so for a simpler version, just count # of runs:

Player A, week 1: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450
Player A, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

Player B, week 1: does other stuff, letting allowances accumulate
Player B, week 2: does 7 runs for 75 tomes each and 10 runs for 40 tomes each, hitting his max of 900

Both players end up with 900 tomes. Player A managed that with just 12 runs and it took 17 runs for player B, due to a lack of daily bonuses, so this is a pattern that encourages regular daily activity. But it encourages it without outright requiring it, since either pattern is perfectly feasible.



Compare this to the current system, which would be:

Player A, week 1: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450
Player A, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

Player B, week 1: does other stuff, losing this week's chance entirely
Player B, week 2: does 6 runs for 75 tomes each, hitting his max of 450

This ends with Player A having 900 tomes and player B having only 450, and with nothing Player B can ever do to make that up. He'll be permanently locked 450 points behind player A for as long as A continues. This is why I described it earlier as punishing you for wanting to vary your routine and try other things.

[Evergrey]

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It's not permanently. It lasts untill player A got everything and won't get more and player B reaches up to him. Just like how it was when I first started playing, people were running around with their AF1 gear when I was just a "weed". In the end I got up to their lvl and got my own gear and I was equal, and had to wait a long time before anything new came along to grind up.
You will never be left behind permanently. It will only require some more time for you to catch up, that's all.

[Malevicton]

y'all make it sound like way more of a time commitment than it is. Can't do your expert a couple days? Throw in a few extra dungeons on the day you have time. You also get plenty while farming tokens for alex nm. A roulette a day lines up nicely, but it's not the only way to get eso. Plenty of stuff gives you eso. Play the game any half significant amount of time (don't have to "fix your life" or whatever) and you'll get capped. I'm usually capped by Thursday or Friday just from dickin around.

[Gyson]

Not that this will change anyone's way of thinking, but players worry way too much about weekly-capping or the idea of "falling behind" the crowd. No matter how hard you grind each and every day, new people coming into the game right now will eventually catch up to you despite all the effort you make to remain at the head of the pack. And when another expansion comes out we'll all be right back on the same page again, and you'll probably be looking back at all the sacrifices you made to "keep up" and realize it was totally not worth it.

You can totally enjoy this game just playing it casually. In fact, the more casual you play, the more likely you are to not end up as one of those people standing around AFK for weeks/months on end as a lawn ornament at their FC house/city-aetheryte because they have nothing better to do while waiting for new content.

[Jerichai]

Not that this will change anyone's way of thinking, but players worry way too much about weekly-capping or the idea of "falling behind" the crowd.

Many players worry about falling behind because the MMO community in general has developed an unhealthy addiction to item level. Watch the average item levels in party finder over the course of an expansion. You'll gradually see the item level requirements for content go up over time. Hell, on Hyperion I'm already seeing some first time clear parties for Bismark and Ravana Extreme with ilvl entry requirements of 180 or more. To put that in perspective, when HW first released, you couldn't reach ilvl 180 without having beat Ravana extreme and securing your hive weapon, the highest possible with full centuro seal upgrades was 179. Not to mention that content was more than doable with ilvl 170 or lower. People hate falling behind, because it feels like a limit on their capability to attempt content on their terms. The sad truth is I've had many a friend give up on a game because they felt like they'd never catch up to be able to do content when it was relevant...largely because ilvl has become a chief metric many in the MMO community have resorted to to gauging the worth of a player.

Sure, these players can try to form their own parties or find a less restrictive guild. But it still doesn't negate the fact that certain doors are closed for you just for being a few points behind on a number so many deem as the ultimate power in the universe.

[ajx]

I kinda like this. Say a 450 tome allowance given every Tuesday capping at 2000.

This would give players more options on how they like to play. While also ensuring players who join late are not too far behind in terms of gear accessibility to content.

[sirDarts]

You guys are focusing too much on extremes, while yes, those will exist, this will mainly help people who are not extremes.
What I mean by extreme is a player who gets 0 Eso one week and would then "have to" farm 900 the other week.

The more common situation is that a person has time to do roulettes for example 3-4 times in one week and has no time that weekend. And then next week they have time to do it 5-6 times and have a free Saturday for example.

To use myself as an example:
I over-capped on Sunday on the first week by just doing roulettes (Expert and Trial) every day. I had free time on Saturday and could have done a few more expert dungeons if it was needed.
The second week I only gained ~290 because I had only 3 free evenings and no time during the weekend.
This week I will miss at most 2 evenings of roulettes, and will have a free Saturday (and maybe even Sunday) sou I could EASILY catch up with the 160 from last week.

You see where I am going with this?
There is absolutely no way a cumulative cap would hurt the game or frequent players, but it would help infrequent players immensely. So yeah, it's a win-win situation.

[Sir_Hermes]

I guess my point of this thread was sort of like sirDarts', I mostly wanted this to cater to people with a short-time spread between caps like one week vs a next; although you guys bring up a point that people could "catch up" after taking time off or starting late ( I.E. 4 weeks or 0/1800 to 1800/1800), I don't see how that's a bad thing, they aren't getting an advantage and are putting in the same work... Also, they aren't getting the weekly raids like Alexander Nm and Savage drops? I just don't see how that's "not fair"