Recover HP/MP while standing still, out of battle, and enmity zeroed

[Cicatriz]

We have to keep in mind they are changing stats big time - just look at the Ifrit video hp/mp numbers. And we don't know the rate at which we will regen while standing still - it may be much quicker than we imagine. Aaaaand, we don't know how they will be tweaking spells/skills/abilities/traits/etc in the upcoming patches to accommodate this as well.

As for long battles, this is a good move - rather than disengaging we will be forced to manage the new mp system, which will undoubtedly introduce combat mp regen mechanics such as Refresh and Bard buffs alongside the new improved stats and skills.

In short, there is hope yet.

[Firon]

What i dont understand how this system isn't any different than now....... Before 1.19 you run for a bit you get like 30 mp from running to next spot if that,then in boss fights you have constantly put away your wep to get mp back,and STAND STILL. Now all you have to do is cast in passive mode and STAY STILL to get mp back how is that an step back. Unless you guys are running in circles during boss fights i don't see how this change is effecting you.....

[Ylferyf]

What i dont understand how this system isn't any different than now....... Before 1.19 you run for a bit you get like 30 mp from running to next spot if that,then in boss fights you have constantly put away your wep to get mp back,and STAND STILL. Now all you have to do is cast in passive mode and STAY STILL to get mp back how is that an step back. Unless you guys are running in circles during boss fights i don't see how this change is effecting you.....

You can't get MP back if you have any kind of enmity, even green enmity is enmity and you'll have that in a party. So you can't regen MP until the battle's over.

[NoctisUmbra]

You can't get MP back if you have any kind of enmity, even green enmity is enmity and you'll have that in a party. So you can't regen MP until the battle's over.

Don't say that like you're sure. The term can be interpreted many ways, however it appears none of us have any solid proof as to which interpretation is the correct one.

We'll just have to see after the patch which interpretation ends up being true:

I'm not convinced it's as bad as that. "Incurring" (as in "incurring enmity") means to bring down upon yourself. It's vague enough that it not might not be as bad as you believe it to be. It could mean you can't recover mp if you're on any enemy's hate list, but it could also mean you only can't recover mp if you're doing things to increase enmity (as in, if you stop curing for a sec, you can recover mp right away). It could also mean you'll recover mp as long as the enemy isn't targeting you which would be even less prohibitive.

[Firon]

You can't get MP back if you have any kind of enmity, even green enmity is enmity and you'll have that in a party. So you can't regen MP until the battle's over.

No the post says...

Players will not automatically recover HP and MP when incurring enmity.
HP and MP will automatically recover only while the player is stationary, regardless of whether or not he/she is engaged in battle. The amount of HP and MP recovered will increase based on the amount of time a player remains stationary.
The recovery amount will reset under the following conditions:
The player is attacked
The player moves or performs an action

The Bold part clearly states that even if you are in battle you gain mp. That bold line would not make any sense saying you can get mp as long as you don't touch the mob. The system they are implementing is the same way it is now why can you guys understand that.

1.18: If i want to Gain mp i have go into passive and stand still to gain mp back.

1.19 You have to use no actions to gain mp while in passive its simple as that.

What makes both of these systems exactly the same is the fact that pre 1.18 if you use an ability while in passive you loose your mp regen cause you go into active. 1.19 you loose mp regen by using skills, systems are the same just think of using an skill in passive mode in 1.19 will put you in active mode to speak of.

They had to make passive mp gaining this way so you would not gain mp while casting would be OP.

[NoctisUmbra]

No the post says...

The Bold part clearly states that even if you are in battle you gain mp. That bold line would not make any sense saying you can get mp as long as you don't touch the mob. The system they are implementing is the same way it is now why can you guys understand that.

1.18: If i want to Gain mp i have go into passive and stand still to gain mp back.

1.19 You have to use no actions to gain mp while in passive its simple as that.

What makes both of these systems exactly the same is the fact that pre 1.18 if you use an ability while in passive you loose your mp regen cause you go into active. 1.19 you loose mp regen by using skills, systems are the same just think of using an skill in passive mode in 1.19 will put you in active mode to speak of.

No need to revert back to this line of discussion. I made a thorough wall-of-text post going into great detail supporting the very same argument you're making. Nevertheless there exist situations that satisfy all of the conditions provided in the patch notes, however illogical or redundant it may be to account for them, that would still result in you only regenerating while your enmity is absolutely zero.

I don't want to repeat or go into details again, so I suggest you go back to around page 7 or 8 and read my discussion with Neptune over the matter.

[Firon]

No need to revert back to this line of discussion. I made a thorough wall-of-text post going into great detail supporting the very same argument you're making. Nevertheless there exist situations that satisfy all of the conditions provided in the patch notes, however illogical or redundant it may be to account for them, that would still result in you only regenerating while your enmity is absolutely zero.

I don't want to repeat or go into details again, so I suggest you go back to around page 7 or 8 and read my discussion with Neptune over the matter.

Oh i read it I am just saying some ppl's reading comprehension is a little low in these forums sometimes. They did not change anything about mp regening in a sense but people just can't understand

[AmyRae]

You can't get MP back if you have any kind of enmity, even green enmity is enmity and you'll have that in a party. So you can't regen MP until the battle's over.

Seems to me, the intention to let you cast cure spells without drawing your weapon is to take out the constant switching between passive and active mode in order to recover mp between cures. However, they didn't want to make mp regeneration more constant than it had been previously (i.e. you didn't recover mp in active mode). So generating enmity halts mp regeneration, but it's no different than going into active mode and casting a cure; you wouldn't be regenerating mp in that scenario either.

Basically, you should be able to regenerate as much mp as you did before the patch, the only difference is you don't have to switch in and out of active mode. I'm quite sure this is the intended effect.

[PrettyPrincess]

So we're going to keep whining about this instead of waiting for the patch to see how it really is?

[Xmbei]

So we're going to keep whining about this instead of waiting for the patch to see how it really is?

of course PP, I thought we have already been indoctrinated in this since the forums were established. pre-whining before trying it!