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  1. #1
    Player
    Luvbunny's Avatar
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    Coralie Moonseeker
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    Belias
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    When shit hits the fan, your healer sometimes has to focus on healing the tank first ASAP NOW!! and heal his/herself so that the healer not end up dead. When your BLM and SMN can throw a couple physick at 1k, critical 1.8k-2k, that is a HUGE emergency save that makes a BIG difference from healer not dead, or the DPS not dead - adding more stress to the healer that can easily be avoided.
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    justinjarjar's Avatar
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60
    No healer worth their salt should need heals from a dps to sustain health.
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    Ayanno Kannagi
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    Siren
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by justinjarjar View Post
    No healer worth their salt should need heals from a dps to sustain health.
    Because everyone plays perfectly every time? Sometimes shit happens, and those piddly arse cures from a caster/PLD saves the day.

    Also, Physick started on ACN, which is SMN. The at least should have a trait that boosts it a little bit. Not to the level of SCH of course, but a smidge. Nothing wrong with a job being able to heal itself decently. Anyone against this may as well remove Second Wind/Clemency/Equillibrium from their hotbars.
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    justinjarjar's Avatar
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60
    It is fine to use in niche spots, but in no way is a must need spell in SMN rotation. Anyways if you buffed physiciks sch would be more op then it is now.
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    Eldon Pierce
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Yupe. I pretty much removed it from my hotbar. I replaced it with X-potion it heals a tiny bit more and is instant. Overall, we can't really heal worth crap @ Lv 60.
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    Verrine Mercer
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 86
    I dunno why anyone is against this. What's wrong with usable cross class skills? There's few enough as it is.
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    I dunno why anyone is against this. What's wrong with usable cross class skills? There's few enough as it is.
    It is usable.
    Is it going to save you if you're being attacked by another player? Nope. As it should be. No DPS should be able to sustain their own HP while under assault.

    Therein lies the issues. It works perfectly fine as it is. You can use it in an emergency, but its exactly that, emergency healing. A BLM or SMN spamming Physik at me on my Warrior while waiting for the Healer to finish Raising is more than adequate on a boss fight, it keeps me just barely alive along with my own defensive skills long enough.
    Make it any stronger and you can drop the Healer entirely in favor of a BLM/SMN to occasionally spam Physik on the Tank before going back to DPS.
    And for the PvP aspect, if you make it too strong, You could get yourself back to full in a matter of seconds while fighting.
    Could you imagine how frustrating it would be to chip away at that BLM/SMNs HP, only to get hit with a Bind/Sleep and they get to full HP before it wore off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buff_Archer View Post
    I had to Titan-egi tank a fate in Dravinian Forelands when I was leveling (there were no tanks there to do it, but there were a few dps's and it was like a multi stage fate that started out looking like a normal one and was at my level) and keeping Titan egi up damn near killed me, even with me renewing sustain each time it fell off, aside from casting tridisaster and a few other instants as available, for like 13 minutes it was basically this: Sustain, Physick, Physick, Physick, Physick, Physick, Sustain, Physick, Physick, Physick, Physick and it was a battle to keep Titan egi up while other players dps's. But what were my other options, hope for a random tank to show up and take over, or for a random healer to start healing my pet as the main fate target's target? If Titan egi died, I'd have gone down right after and it's not like I'd be able to count on any of the random players around me to help prevent that, not on my server. If my Physick had been worth half a damn I could have focused on more DPS skills and having to spam a weak heal over and over on my tank pet.

    Why not give us a bit more Mind and make heal spells more effective, when we need to use them? If a DPS starts casting heals left and right when they should be doing offensive spells- that's what DPS checks in fights are for.
    Because a DPS Job that is simultaneously Tanking, healing and DPSing is perfectly balanced right? The very fact that were able to keep Titan alive in that situation speaks volumes about its value in its current state.
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    Last edited by Sylve; 07-28-2015 at 02:21 AM.

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    Saggo'a Xula
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    Lamia
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylve View Post
    Because a DPS Job that is simultaneously Tanking, healing and DPSing is perfectly balanced right? The very fact that were able to keep Titan alive in that situation speaks volumes about its value in its current state.
    A tanking pet that can't tank isn't balanced either, and it's certainly less balanced than Tank job doing more DPS than a DPS job while simultaneously tanking (proficiently) than said DPS job doing no DPS (except by pet) and tanking (barely) with a pet. Even with a Physick spam, Titan can't survive most boss FATEs. He barely survives normal FATEs.

    No one really cares if Titan can't tank a dungeon or trial. But it's a DPS loss to even use Titan in the field, and a massive DPS loss struggling to keep him alive in any situation he should be relevant. It's not unbalanced for Physick to keep him alive without spamming.

    And that's ignoring that it's nearly a useless spell on BLM.
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    I dunno why anyone is against this. What's wrong with usable cross class skills? There's few enough as it is.
    Because the problem is not the spells, but the missing mind on casters. Buff the spell and healers are running around with 8k HP cures, while casters still have only 1k HP heals.

    Don't ask for a cure/physick buff, ask for a mind buff
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    Verrine Mercer
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    Balmung
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    Samurai Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    Because the problem is not the spells, but the missing mind on casters. Buff the spell and healers are running around with 8k HP cures, while casters still have only 1k HP heals.

    Don't ask for a cure/physick buff, ask for a mind buff
    I mentioned literally nothing specific, and neither did the OP. I don't know where you're inferring this from.

    I feel like the most elegant solution would be giving summoners a trait which turned physic into a % heal or an increase in potency.
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