Possibly Major problem with how roulettes are working now.

[OPneedNerfs]

If you're a new player, anytime you try to queue for older content that is rather rarely run, you would notice that while in queue, the spots will keep changing from being filled up and not being filled up.

If you're an older player, when you queue for roulettes, especially trials, the issue becomes apparent.

The roulette algorithm dumps you into a different queue every few minutes.

This is probably good for anyone who wants a fast entry into trial roulette but is pretty bad for anyone who is trying to get their clears on older content.

We've seen many instances of screenshots showing people with ridiculous queue times. I believe this is the main reason why.

tl;dr Roulette queue is bad for helping new people clear necessary content.

[DreameR7g]

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The roulette is purely designed for older players who've already cleared the older content. A roulette is just that: A randomizer within that category of dungeons/trials.

If you are a new player who needs a clear, you wouldn't use the roulette because you probably wouldn't have access to it and why would you go into a roulette with many dungeons if you need a clear from one specific one?

[OPneedNerfs]

The roulette is purely designed for older players who've already cleared the older content. A roulette is just that: A randomizer within that category of dungeons/trials.

If you are a new player who needs a clear, you wouldn't use the roulette because you probably wouldn't have access to it and why would you go into a roulette with many dungeons if you need a clear from one specific one?

You've probably misunderstood what my original post meant.

New player queues normally for instance they need to clear.

Old player queues in roulette.

Old player gets into said new player's queue. System decides there is another queue that requires the same role, dumps old player into another queue.

New player is left waiting for said role to be filled again.

[Leshpar]

I think you're missing the OP's point Dreamer7g. What he means is that when you are queued for a specific dungeon or trial because you need it for a quest or main story line you will see sometimes a spot will fill (like a healer or the dps spots) in the queue window, but then a minute or two later the spot will be empty again. This can lead to really long queue times for dps players.

[DreameR7g]

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Oh, my mistake~ ^_^

In truth though, it isn't the roulette causing this. Its actually just a shortage of people willing to do that content. The roulette can give false hope because of its rotating queues but ultimately, it isn't the cause of long queue times.

But it is, whenever I have queued for roulette, especially for trials and I see no new people needing it after entering, I really wonder if there wasn't a spot that some new player was queueing that needed to be filled. Begs the question whether the roulette is doing anything to help with the shortage of people needed in older content that is required by newer players.

It isn't the cure of the problem but it is a band-aid to the problem. It DOES help but this is a continuing problem which does not have an easy solution.

[OPneedNerfs]

I think you're missing the OP's point Dreamer7g. What he means is that when you are queued for a specific dungeon or trial because you need it for a quest or main story line you will see sometimes a spot will fill (like a healer or the dps spots) in the queue window, but then a minute or two later the spot will be empty again. This can lead to really long queue times for dps players.

This is what I meant. It's actually pretty frustrating when it happens not only as a DPS, but also as a healer and tank.

Oh, my mistake~ ^_^

In truth though, it isn't the roulette causing this. Its actually just a shortage of people willing to do that content. The roulette can give false hope because of its rotating queues but ultimately, it isn't the cause of long queue times.

But it is, whenever I have queued for roulette, especially for trials and I see no new people needing it after entering, I really wonder if there wasn't a spot that some new player was queueing that needed to be filled. Begs the question whether the roulette is doing anything to help with the shortage of people needed in older content that is required by newer players.

[Reynhart]

System decides there is another queue that requires the same role, dumps old player into another queue.

Yes, but that queue probably contains one new player waiting for an instance he needs to clear.

They stated that the "new" Duty Finder gives priority for 1st time player, so if you end with older players only, it means that no new players was available at that precise moment.

[OPneedNerfs]

Yes, but that queue probably contains one new player waiting for an instance he needs to clear.

They stated that the "new" Duty Finder gives priority for 1st time player, so if you end with older players only, it means that no new players was available at that precise moment.

But how would that explain the queue jumping? Did the 1st queue not have a new player waiting for an instance that needed to be cleared? What if the 2nd queue that the roulette player was dumped into contained no new players?

The algorithm for Roulette queues now is probably to ensure the fastest clear/reward for the roulette player but imo it feels that it might hurt the newer players' interests in the long run especially when queues can take up to insane amounts of time due to the current roulette queueing algorithm.

[Gunspec]

New player is left waiting for said role to be filled again.

It could also be that another player met the requirement better than you did, so you were the one dumped. For example, if a dps is trying to get into tam-tara because they are only level 17, it will initially chose YOU to wait in that queue with them as dps. But then a second dps appears who is closer to the target level for tam-tara. The duty finder puts the two low level dps together, and bumps you to a higher level dungeon.

Back during 2.0-2.2, players level 30-50 were constantly getting stuck in the earliest dungeons, until duty finder was reprogrammed to automatically try to put you in highest level duty possible.

Another situation... maybe you que in random high level as a healer, and the game was going to stick you into brayflox hard due to a dps waiting in queue. But then another healer specifically queues for brayflox, so you get replaced by the guy who manually selected it.

[DreameR7g]

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Its a lack of players who are at that content. Some players are behind, while a nice chunk of players are ahead of that specific content. It isn't the roulette's fault. The roulette does nothing but help the problem. It doesn't solve the problem on its own, however.