Thread: 3.0 Paladin is broken still. Square-Enix please. Clemency, scaling.

Simple solution would be that clemency scales based on vitality stat rather than strength. This would mean that a tank stacking vitality would have better off heals and better divine veil at the expense of damage and would fit better with the current gearing meta.

Clemency is fine.

I don't really understand why you seem to have such an issue with using str accessories. It keeps being said that you can't roll need on str so it's not right but optimization has little to do with what the devs designed for general population, it had everything to do with the player meta. Complaints aplenty about str tanks and using str as one of your main stats as a problem stem from lack of class understanding and inexperience. Rather than complaining that the game doesn't conform to your preexisting conceptions as to what a tank should be why not try learning the meta and playing the game to it's fullest using the stat weights and class strengths to your advantage. I think you'll find it's a lot more interesting to learn how to manage cd's and take less damage via class mechanics than to just soak up hits. In the end a pld who rolls cd's and self heals will take far less damage and be easier to heal than the pali who expects his vit accs to save him.

Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

This. On top of that, if it was a percentage heal, if they made it work like Thrill of Battle (warrior +25% hp / heal) then it wouldn't scale with convalescence, mantra or defiance (when you cast it on a warrior MT).

the self heal part of clemency (when your not targeting yourself) doesn't scale off of convalescence anyway, though that's common knowledge already.

according to ariyala's gear calc, a ilvl210 paladin sits at 763 strength 20k hp with fending gear, and 998 strength with 15k hp with str gear. (this is without food).

A person wearing gordian head, gauntlets, boots, and belt with asuran weapon/vit jewlery has 633 str and 16k vit.

overall, your not gaining that much strength jumping from ilvl 180something to 210, and the largest factor that would boost it anyway is your weapon (which is a 4 weapon damage increase).

Originally Posted by repoe

Wearing strength accesories does not cause a tank to take any more damage then one wearing fending. Vitality is not mitigation

No, you're using the terms wrong. Vitality is not Damage Reduction, but it is most certainly Mitigation.

Funny, reduction is a synonym for mitigation.

Originally Posted by Donjo

No, you're using the terms wrong. Vitality is not Damage Reduction, but it is most certainly Mitigation.

mit·i·ga·tion
/ˌmidəˈɡāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: mitigation

the action of reducing the severity, seriousness, or painfulness of something.

Originally Posted by saber_alter

it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewelry.

we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewelry, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

I would agree with this.

While it's fine that tanks switch to stacking as much STR as possible after progression / after they reach an HP threshold that their group is comfortable with, I think the key point is that Yoshi P / Dev Team has always been pushing players to play the game *their* way ("as intended") whenever possible. Look at all the changes SE has done in response to players not playing the way they wanted:

* Summoner figured out how to use Titan Egi to tank Primals. Yoshi P's response? Not intended. Nerfs Titan Egi.

* White Mage "Holy" Spam. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? Nerfed. Twice.

* Black Mage "Flare" Spam. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? Nerf.

* Speed Runs in Dungeons. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? More Gating / Anti-Speed Running measures added.

I'm not saying that wearing STR Accessories is going to end up this way, but SE has consistently been trying to push their "intended" way of playing whenever possible.

Given that, they clearly made Fending Accessories for Tanks. Yet, Clemency is an ability that scales off of Attack Power (STR included), not VIT or anything else defensive (which is what one might expect from a "Tank").