Thread: 3.0 Paladin is broken still. Square-Enix please. Clemency, scaling.

Originally Posted by Praesul

I don't see how the str scaling is a problem. You have a small margin of error if you wear str gear because your max HP is much lower, in return for a moderate damage increase and a slightly stronger heal?

It's not like VIT PLDs won't benefit from it. Their gear will still give them str, weapon damage, and attack power, so they benefit from it too.

it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewlery.

we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewlery, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

Originally Posted by saber_alter

it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewlery.
we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewlery, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

Originally Posted by Edewen

It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

Its not a flaw that every other class spends their tomes on the pieces they need right away, and get the drops they need right away, while tanks have to spend gil for crafted accessories and materia, or spend possibly double the tomes or wait for second drops to gear up properly?

Originally Posted by Edewen

It is not so much a flaw, a tank still gets benefit from the slaying accessories. But a drg gains more. A good static will let tanks get it before the people for alt classes anyway. This just keeps us from taking it over a drg.

What we are "supposed" to roll need on and what we really need for savage progression are definitely different. The dps checks are for real.

it's not that we get benefits from them or not, because we sure as hell do. dps checks may be real but, progression is still a lot easier with a bigger hp pool. someone should be able to optimize defensively and still get the same benefit someone gets when optimizing offensively.

Originally Posted by saber_alter

it's flawed because we aren't actually supposed to roll on str jewelry.

we're supposed to roll on vit gear. for hp. meaning the potency of clemency suffers for not having access to dps jewelry, punishing us for having more hp. clemency rewards us for optimizing offensively, whereas it should be rewarding us for optimizing defensively, something a tank should be doing in progression and high endgame.

I would agree with this.

While it's fine that tanks switch to stacking as much STR as possible after progression / after they reach an HP threshold that their group is comfortable with, I think the key point is that Yoshi P / Dev Team has always been pushing players to play the game *their* way ("as intended") whenever possible. Look at all the changes SE has done in response to players not playing the way they wanted:

* Summoner figured out how to use Titan Egi to tank Primals. Yoshi P's response? Not intended. Nerfs Titan Egi.

* White Mage "Holy" Spam. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? Nerfed. Twice.

* Black Mage "Flare" Spam. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? Nerf.

* Speed Runs in Dungeons. Not intended the way SE wanted. Response? More Gating / Anti-Speed Running measures added.

I'm not saying that wearing STR Accessories is going to end up this way, but SE has consistently been trying to push their "intended" way of playing whenever possible.

Given that, they clearly made Fending Accessories for Tanks. Yet, Clemency is an ability that scales off of Attack Power (STR included), not VIT or anything else defensive (which is what one might expect from a "Tank").