What's the rush?

[sirDarts]

I don't think I have ever seen someone tell the tank to go faster. Even though sometimes I do think to myself that they should go faster (pick up more mobs) because I am twiddling thumbs healing them, and I don't like to DPS on trash. But I would never tell them, they either notice that the 1-group pull is no challenge, or they will keep their own pace which is perfectly fine.

On the other hand I have seen several tanks ask whether people want a full clear, and if someone wants it, others are fine with it in my experience.

So I'd suggest asking at the start of the dungeon whether a full clear should be done, and I am fairly certain most people won't have a problem with it.
Communication is a key, when you don't say anything, people will assume that you don't care and just go as fast as they are comfortable with.

[Krylo]

I don't think I have ever seen someone tell the tank to go faster.

I've had lots of healers tell me to pull more when I'm doing leveling dungeons. And, I mean, it doesn't bother me, I'll do it (other day I was doing 2-3 pulls at a time in Tam-Tara at a healer's behest. Was. . . interesting, given I was on an alt character leveling with a friend, was right at level for it and not well geared, and there's the lack of enmity generating tools at that level. Kinda fun, though, and it was quick). Although it does bug me when instead of asking me to pull more they just run ahead and grab stuff to bring back when I'm not expecting it. That tends to cause wipes as I try to deal with cooldowns to stay alive as the healer ran off, and generating enmity on the second pack he just brought.

But I agree with your overall point. Communication is key. Ask if you want it slow. Ask if you want it fast. Most people, if asked, are okay with basically whatever, so long as they can stay alive while doing it. It's just one run.

[Elvin]

Wow, thanks for all of the replies. I'm usually a single-player game player, so just I don't really understand why people are playing a game they've become so bored of they just want to rush through it.

Single player game player, MMO, why?


To me, as a player playing tank and healer on this expansion, and also DPS class on the original game, speedruns are usually more fun for every class.

As a tank, I have to avoid areas of a bunch of mobs while I put them in a nice position for the DPSs
As a healer, I get the chance to play the game. I mean, in a lot of dungeons, as SCholar, you can just autofollow a tank and let Eos do the job if you just want to heal and won't DPS... And even if you have to heal, spam cure/phisics is always more than enought.
As a meele DPS it can be a bit dangerous and hard, and that's usually fun.
As a caster, it means that you get to use all your AOE skills and get a ridiculous damage done. That's usually fun.


If you go group by group, instead... As a tank you probably are just in front of the mobs avoiding an attack from time to time.
As a healer you can DPS. Is the less boring job to do when you are in a slow run.
As a DPS... just doing your rotation.


So... speedrun = fast & fun
Slow run = slow & boring.

Add to that that you'll need to do those dungeons a bunch of times and...


I woud really love if they woud add an option to the Duty finder to select "Speedrun" , but if they do new DPS players will have to wait for weeks to complete their main quest.

[Rookie1]

ya i too have been locked out. but i just got the game and i'm enjoying the narrative. I believe I still got to roll on loot so I wasn't too upset not being part of the fight.

As a tank, I have to avoid areas of a bunch of mobs while I put them in a nice position for the DPSs
As a healer, I get the chance to play the game. I mean, in a lot of dungeons, as SCholar, you can just autofollow a tank and let Eos do the job if you just want to heal and won't DPS... And even if you have to heal, spam cure/phisics is always more than enought.
As a meele DPS it can be a bit dangerous and hard, and that's usually fun.
As a caster, it means that you get to use all your AOE skills and get a ridiculous damage done. That's usually fun.


If you go group by group, instead... As a tank you probably are just in front of the mobs avoiding an attack from time to time.
As a healer you can DPS. Is the less boring job to do when you are in a slow run.
As a DPS... just doing your rotation.


So... speedrun = fast & fun
Slow run = slow & boring.

I don't think the issue is the killing of trash mobs. The real issue is not waiting 30sec to pull the boss so that people can watch the cutscene on their first run. Thats kinda all thats being ask in the "slow run" i think.

[Jatoi]

I'm sorry you had to deal with that, whenever I enter into a dungeon I prefer going by the pace everyone else is comfortable with. If someone is new, I prefer to not rush as I would rather not have them feel overwhelmed. Everyone was new once after all.

[Hayward]

Tired speedrunner talking points

Not all of us are a bunch of ADHD-addled kids with the attention span of a flea or X-Games skateboarding rejects looking for a jolt of adrenaline. I couldn't care less about people like you and your desires to break some imaginary World Record in dungeons (Hint: Guinness isn't recording any for FFXIV).

Stressing people out in a dungeon is about as far from the definition of fun as it gets. Chill out and stop acting like you need to get through places in 5 minutes.

[LineageRazor]

A tank is doing their job best if they are completing a dungeon at the pace expected of them by their party. Because people repeat content for various reasons, many, many times over, odds are much higher that a group is going to be full of people repeating, than it will have people who are new to the dungeon. Even when you get the message saying someone is new to a dungeon, about half the time that person isn't really new at all, but instead leveling an alternate character.

So, if no one says anything, a tank is most likely to be correct if they assume that folks just want to plow through the dungeon quickly. Some tanks make a point of asking whether anyone's new and wants a more casual dungeon run, but such tanks are pretty rare. Most will assume "fast run" unless someone speaks up.

So, speak up! Ask the party to take it slow, and to kill everything for the exp. There's no shame in doing it, and in almost every case the tank and party will be happy (or at least tolerant enough) to go along with it. If you do run into an intolerant party (I never have, but I'm sure it must be possible), you still have a choice. You can shrug and go along with it, or you can exit the dungeon. Exiting does incur a 30-minute penalty during which you can't requeue for the dungeon, but if it's important enough to you that should be a small price to pay. You can spend the time running FATEs, crafting, gathering or any of the other enormous variety of options the game provides.

There's also the option of Party Finder. This allows you to specify the type of run you want. Such a party will likely take longer to fill up, but when it does you'll know for sure that the party members will be sympathetic to your needs.

The advantage of Duty Finder is that it matches you with a party fast. The disadvantage is that it matches people of all kinds together - new players, old players, good players, bad players, casual players, hardcore players. You don't have any choice in who you are matched with. A tank sets the pace of the run, and if there is no communication, they have to guess at what folks are hoping for. Nine times out of ten, what folks are hoping for is, "God, I've done this dungeon so many times my brain hurts just thinking about it; let's just get it over with so I can get my Tomestones of the day and get out".

[justinjarjar]

I play healer and dps and it is the tanks choice (not that as healer i will spam psych up to give them a hint that i am alt-tabing from boredom). Trash in mmos are the worst since the fun comes more form bosses and glaming then kill this lizard guy for 1X10to10000 time. Notice that you are 39ish make sure to PF for the last two dungeons of the OG storyline. No one will wait let alone should have to wait in DF, jus the way it is (and the only dung with major people playing ahead problems.). The rest of the game just watch the cut scenes make sure people understand it is your first run and you want to play it like one. you will learn in time thou that replaying dungs to level alt classes is the best way to do it.

[NeoMandalore]

They got paid by ingame currency and/or xp for alt class. And if you exclude those people, you might never be able to finish those dungeon since you are a dps (3 hours queue time, maybe ?).

That's really kind of sad that people treat currency and EXP as the goal instead of the means. I'd gladly wait longer for a group if I knew we'd be like minded.

I play games to relax, not feel more stressed out.

Same here.

[Elvin]

Not all of us are a bunch of ADHD-addled kids with the attention span of a flea or X-Games skateboarding rejects looking for a jolt of adrenaline. I couldn't care less about people like you and your desires to break some imaginary World Record in dungeons (Hint: Guinness isn't recording any for FFXIV).

Stressing people out in a dungeon is about as far from the definition of fun as it gets. Chill out and stop acting like you need to get through places in 5 minutes.

Being disrespectful doesn't make you right neither makes you look more mature.

So, I'm not gonna argue with someone whose main argument is saying that people that think diferent than him have some kind of mental illness.