SE needs to either amend Seize, sync Secure to 60, or make WD relevant.

[Sanghelios]

This is where people have it wrong. You gain 5 pts for a kill in Seize. For some reason Maelstrom on Moogle Server doesn't know that.

Yea, but theres the problem. Let me explain it a bit.

Say, we playing slaughter and every team does have 100/150 points. Now alliance A goes forward and gets 25 points from killing other people. Now A does have 125, while the other two still sitting on 100. Alliance A searched the fight and the system benefits them for that with 1st place.

In sieze, however, it works different. For example, when all three do have 400/800 points and there are no nodes up. Now, there spawns a node and alliance A can capture it and they are going to defend it. Alliance B now goes forward and attacks A. What now happens is, that they just decrease/increase each others points. Alliance A will get out of this with probably 450 points, because they holding the node the whole fight. Alliance B still does have 400, because they didnt had the node. Alliance C meanwhile avoided this battle and is surely already sitting on the next node and is also around 450 points. The looser here is alliance B, even if they searched the fight. So the way i see it, the best you can do is to avoid battles.

Now lets say they would have made this mode without the ability to decrease points. Given the same circumstances as above, Team A would be at 500, because they holding the node and get additional points from kills during the fight with B. Alliance B would be at 450 instead of 400, because they got kills (but no node ofc). Team C still sits lonely on their node and is at 450 aswell. Now you can say its worth it to fight, because there are no disadvantages of doing so.

[RiceisNice]

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This is where everything becomes circumstantial. If you have no nodes and you're severely behind in points, something needs to break. Alliance B in that situation has no revenue for points other than to bleed another team out of it and hope that the next set of spawns are in their favor. If things go well for them, they can get around 300 or so points from kills alone (which bleeds from the other teams), though they'll still need nodes in the end to win out anything.

We're in a mode that the primary objective (the nodes) are more often than not, dedicated by RNGjeesus. If there was no penalty for deaths such as the transfer of points, alliance A can very well be carried onto victory because the nodes spawned next to their previous nodes. Even if you were to fight to contest it, taking a node is much much more demanding than simply claiming it because it requires a complete wipeout of the opposition, not GC presence. This sort of thing practically requires a side objective (or change the point distribution of nodes) to make up for when the nodes are uncooperative with spawns.

[Frysia]

I've honestly hated both Savage and Seize. I loved Secure, especially 48 man Secure (But they've done away with 48 man matches....). Secure you actually had to have strategy. Savage it was just killkillkill, Sieze it's just sit and camp nodes. I'd honestly be happy if they added a lvl60 Secure (With Adrenaline and Battle High added to it) and maybe Savage....but I hated Savage....

[Tila]

I've had some pretty nice sieze battles (and won) and I havent even been playing long, dont know what game you guys are playing.

Hell, lost one match because the other team was fighting so well despite not getting many nodes.