Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 22
  1. #1
    Player
    AnnaMolly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Ul'dah
    Posts
    169
    Character
    Anna Ruthven
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80

    Machinist's Firearms: How Do They Work?

    So, I was recently shown lore on how Grimoires work as well as how and why some are specialized for Arcanist and Summoner and some for Scholar, and just what is written and illustrated within.

    Being somewhat familiar with the inner workings of RL firearms I'm quite curious as to how guns in the game world function. Now I'd assume that guns such as the Ironworks Repeater and the Gjallarhorn fire ceruleum- and aether-powered blasts respectively but what about the modern Eorzean firearms?

    Many of MCH's guns are portrayed as flintlocks but are shown to be fired much faster than a flintlock could be. So is there any actual lore on how these weapons function or how they use ammo and what ammo they use?
    (0)

  2. #2
    Player
    AskaRay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    3,543
    Character
    Aeon Rakshasa
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Doesn't that thing on your belt convert aether into bullet-like projectiles to be shot out of the gun?

    I sorta assumed that was going on, but who knows. I wanna SAY it was mentioned at some point but I'm not sure, don't quote me on it.
    (1)
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    ホイホイ Commissions ==> http://goo.gl/RwVnHZ

    Clearly, the best Final Fantasy character is Locke Cole.
    Glamour is TRUE ENDGAME

  3. #3
    Player
    AnnaMolly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Ul'dah
    Posts
    169
    Character
    Anna Ruthven
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    Doesn't that thing on your belt convert aether into bullet-like projectiles to be shot out of the gun?

    I sorta assumed that was going on, but who knows. I wanna SAY it was mentioned at some point but I'm not sure, don't quote me on it.
    The Aetherotransformer? I thought it mainly powered stuff like the Gauss Barrel and the turrets as well as stored them along with ammo. There are NPCs who wield guns with no Aetherotransformer, but I don't remember if they are ever shown using weaponskills.

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, it kinda makes sense. The Gauss Barrel cancels out auto-attacks, so I'd guess auto-attacks are actual lead projectiles that would break the Gauss Barrel which is more of an aether shot amplifier?

    So, Flintlocks are flintlocks, revolvers and revolvers, and the only thing that'd make any difference on is auto-attack shots, not skills...right?
    (0)
    Last edited by AnnaMolly; 07-27-2015 at 04:00 AM.

  4. #4
    Player
    Cilia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    The Hermit's Hovel
    Posts
    3,663
    Character
    Trpimir Ratyasch
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    As far as I know, the firearms work like normal firearms. Yes we can shoot them faster than a real-life flintlock pistol, but chalk that up to gameplay purposes. Plus, a number of MCH weapons aren't flintlocks (Ironworks Magitek Repeater, anyone?), and they have to do with a standardized animation for all guns. Yeah they fire a lot faster than flintlocks / muskets, but would you really like to stand around doing nothing for about a minute while you reload your weapon for each shot?

    As for the aetherotransformer, Stephanivien tells you it's used to channel lightning aether; it's basically how our autoturrets function, as well as why Promotion consumes MP. I don't know if the Gauss Barrel has anything to do with that, given "Gauss" is a catchall term for a coil gun. (Brings up more questions than answers.)
    (0)
    Trpimir Ratyasch's Way Status (7.2 - End)
    [ ]LOST [X]NOT LOST
    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination

  5. #5
    Player
    Amiaze's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    403
    Character
    Genevieve Mhakaracca
    World
    Goblin
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AskaRay View Post
    Doesn't that thing on your belt convert aether into bullet-like projectiles to be shot out of the gun?

    I sorta assumed that was going on, but who knows. I wanna SAY it was mentioned at some point but I'm not sure, don't quote me on it.
    Yes, it does. It's explained in the first or second job quest. I can't remember if it transforms part of your aether or part of the aether in the atmosphere, but that is how it functions. I think Gauss Barrel just concentrates that aether further, which is why auto-attacks are shut off, but I could be wrong. I'd have to read through it again. And I don't think all of the bullets are aether-powered; some are still lead. The big difference between machinists and others that use guns (such as Captain Madison) is the aetherotransformer.
    (0)

  6. #6
    Player
    Zohar_Lahar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    1,381
    Character
    Zohar Lahar
    World
    Jenova
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaMolly View Post
    Many of MCH's guns are portrayed as flintlocks but are shown to be fired much faster than a flintlock could be. So is there any actual lore on how these weapons function or how they use ammo and what ammo they use?
    The internal feed mechanism is probably shaped like an infinity symbol, which gives it unlimited ammo.
    (3)

  7. #7
    Player
    Belhi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    3,016
    Character
    J'talhdi Belhi
    World
    Bismarck
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    Basically the guns are straight up firearms. The Aetherotransformer is used to provide power to gadgets by producing Lightning Aether and charge up special ammunition types. For example, the stun shot uses an shot charged with Aetheric Lightning to effectively tazer the target.

    Theoretically the speed of fire could be explained as them using lightning aether to ignite the black powder in the bullets. The guns do seem to use bullets regardless of the design.
    (0)

  8. #8
    Player
    Magis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Ul'dah
    Posts
    1,253
    Character
    Magis Luagis
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    They could be breech loaders instead of muzzle loaders since the MCH slaps the back of his gun when reloading. Still lead ball and black powder, but probably in paper cartridges for quick loading since the icon is a lead ball not a bullet (iirc?).
    (0)

  9. #9
    Player
    Belhi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    3,016
    Character
    J'talhdi Belhi
    World
    Bismarck
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 90
    The Buff icon however is a bullet.
    (0)

  10. #10
    Player
    AnnaMolly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Ul'dah
    Posts
    169
    Character
    Anna Ruthven
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Magis View Post
    They could be breech loaders instead of muzzle loaders since the MCH slaps the back of his gun when reloading. Still lead ball and black powder, but probably in paper cartridges for quick loading since the icon is a lead ball not a bullet (iirc?).
    Musketoon type guns look like they break open so I'd assume they are breech load. Carbines...I dunno.
    (0)

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 LastLast