Why does Enochian have to be a pain in the neck?

[Noira]

Doesn't dragoon have BoTD which is highly similar to Enochian but even more punishing because unlike enochian it's hidden behind an rng combo so it results in a higher dps loss if you mess it up ?

Just asking because enochian isn't that hard to keep up and I don't even main blm....

[Sylve]

And I'm just here laughing at the Black Mages as a Monk who loses GL3 whenever the boss jumps away, or moves, or moves you or a million other reasons. Even if that moment you cant attack is literally a moment, if it happens at the wrong end of the GL3 timer, you're SoL, its 9 attacks to get that back.

So i agree with Xisin. Git gud. Learn the fight and its timers, dont leave it to the absolute last second to try and refresh on an add ... Good lord. Raid bosses are not training dummies, they're not going to sit politely and wait for you to get your buffs up out of politeness.

Learning a boss is more than just remembering the mechanics ...

[Twilite]

Enochian is easier to manage now that we can refresh it safely. And losing AF3 even with the ARR rotation isn't something to laugh at. MNKs can get back to GL3 a bit faster than BLM with AF3.

For one thing, we have to restart Umbral Ice(well you should, with Fire III costing 3k MP otherwise..), if AF3 drops for any reason. Umbral Ice is already DPS loss in itself. So really we are being hit 2 fold.

So for you people who never played BLM before, do not come in with your trollish remarks and come off like you know *everything* about the job. And MNK is a sustained damage class. BLM is burst. There's a difference.

[randysquirrel]

Therein lies the challenge

Keeping enochian up means blm isn't faceroll easy any more, which imo is a good thing. If it was trivially simple to keep up 100% of the time, then why even bother having it at all.

One QOL change I would like though, is on pots... for some reason it hardly ever actually works when I try and use, there's some weird clipping where to make sure it actually goes off I have to keep hammering the button, which does then cost crucial time for enochian. if it falls off because I fked up, then that's fine, but it's a bit irritating when it drops off at the last second and I know it's because I couldn't get that dam pot to work hehe

[Sylve]

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If AF3 drops, You Blizzard III back to full MP, then Fire III to get back to AF3.
Compared with hitting 9 actions in sequence to get back to GL3. And if the boss moves again before you're back to GL3? Welp, time to start over. Again.

Being forced out of your rotations is part and parcel of Raiding or even just Dungeoneering. Learning how to maximize your uptimes on ANY Job in those situations is how you become a better player.

So yes, "Git Gud" is perfectly acceptable as a response.

[OneWingedSora]

If AF3 drops, You Blizzard III back to full MP, then Fire III to get back to AF3.
Compared with hitting 9 actions in sequence to get back to GL3. And if the boss moves again before you're back to GL3? Welp, time to start over. Again.

Being forced out of your rotations is part and parcel of Raiding or even just Dungeoneering. Learning how to maximize your uptimes on ANY Job in those situations is how you become a better player.

So yes, "Git Gud" is perfectly acceptable as a response.

What about dropping Enochian ?

[Yeldir]

BLM is fine, it doesnt need to be easier, it functions and is a good performer and tops the parse in plenty of fights, depending on comp.

So, you think it's all right that the class is substantially more difficult to play and obviously lower damage, than, say, Dragoon?

[Duelle]

Keeping enochian up means blm isn't faceroll easy any more, which imo is a good thing. If it was trivially simple to keep up 100% of the time, then why even bother having it at all.

2.0 BLM wasn't exactly faceroll. To my recollection the rotation was very specific, and you had tricks like double flares, too. Faceroll would be if it played like a WoW arcane mage, and ARR's BLM was a far, far cry from that.

[Xisin]

BLM outputs more damage than melees if foe is up, even more if Battle voice is paired. A 20% amp on our opener is amazing. To be fair however the damage loss isn't remotely comparable to dropping botd or GL3, dropping enochian is like taking on weakness as a blm. HOWEVER, if you derp and drop enochian on the first chain it's completely the blms fault and not the groups. You can say pugs cause more randomness all you want but I've had my fair share of pugs. The mobs in this game will always do the same thing at the same time pugs do not change that unless you are talking about craptacular pug dps causing phases to push slower, and even then you can plan around the fight.

What fights are you even talking about anyway? bismarck is easy even with a pug, Ravana is exactly the same with a pug as it is with any organized group, Ravana even decides who sets up the swords marks granted he even lasts that long now. Normal alex shouldnt be all that different with pugs either, all the mechanics happen at X:XX time regardless, right down to the vacums in A4. You guys say its hard to keep up enochian, and I disagree. I don't want the devs to make our job easier in exchange for docking our potency, which is a case that can happen, and frankly, I don't want to be punished because someone else can't pull the job off.

In savage, the oppressor jumps are seemingly planned around the enochian timer. Alex savage 2 is a straight up aoe dps fest with enochian being able to be maintained all the time if you do desire thanks to bombs. A3 Savage is really easy to maintain enochiain in as well, as long as you swift in the proper places.

[Jaeifer]

BLM outputs more damage than melees if foe is up, even more if Battle voice is paired. A 20% amp on our opener is amazing. To be fair however the damage loss isn't remotely comparable to dropping botd or GL3, dropping enochian is like taking on weakness as a blm. HOWEVER, if you derp and drop enochian on the first chain it's completely the blms fault and not the groups. You can say pugs cause more randomness all you want but I've had my fair share of pugs. The mobs in this game will always do the same thing at the same time pugs do not change that unless you are talking about craptacular pug dps causing phases to push slower, and even then you can plan around the fight.


What fights are you even talking about anyway? bismarck is easy even with a pug, Ravana is exactly the same with a pug as it is with any organized group, Ravana even decides who sets up the swords marks granted he even lasts that long now. Normal alex shouldnt be all that different with pugs either, all the mechanics happen at X:XX time regardless, right down to the vacums in A4. You guys say its hard to keep up enochian, and I disagree. I don't want the devs to make our job easier in exchange for docking our potency, which is a case that can happen, and frankly, I don't want to be punished because someone else can't pull the job off.

My thoughts exactly. BLM has always been a class that pulled higher numbers off of combat experience with every individual fight. Which is why a BLMs DPS can very easily spike up by 20% once they have seen the entire fight and can start building their rotation around it in full. (Speaking of personal experience). With practice and dedication BLM 3.0 isn't that much harder than BLM 2.0.