(Un)Official Summoner Feedback Thread [3.0 Edition]

[SoloWingMetatron]

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Sorry for any confusion but the first part of my response was not directed at you specifically, but those in general who continue to say the exact same thing over and over, which is about three lines long about how they want new unique pets not the glamours, and then fail to elaborate on how that is more beneficial. You can not have a constructive or in depth discussion if ones response boils down to three lines based on the exact same response that about 50 or more other people have given. They need to be more in depth is my point.

But if you notice in my original post I didn't quote you directly until after this point, which was meant to be a segway into something more constructive, as you were making a constructive point and I was quoting that point that you made. So I wanted to expand on that point and get your thoughts on that front, nothing more and was not forcing anything.

I probably should have just left out the first bit and started with that good point you made, in order to avoid any confusion/drama but hey ho. As I say sorry for any confusion.

But anyways, in terms of Garuda/Titan, they are indeed glamours (at least from a technical standpoint) The process for changing the E.Carby/T.Carby into Garuda/Titan will be pretty much the same process used for the new glamours. It would therefore be very possible for SE to add a line of code so that when a certain glamour is applied, potencies change. Which is most likely how they changed the potencies for Garuda/Titan anyways. They also share the exact same A.I and abilities as their Carby counterparts, so they literally are just a model change which is exactly what a glamour is.

[scribble92]

I'm not sure of this is a bug or not, or me just being a little slow but rouse is supposed to make pets immune to poison, paralysis etc. I was in neverreap today, against a waymoroua (sp?) it begun casting poison dust. I thought i would use rouse so garuda wouldn't be affected. However, she still got hit by the posion and proceeded to take a fair bit of damage. Now I'm not sure of I pressed it a little to late which is why she still got hit, but the rouse symbol was there before the cloud hit. Has anyone else noticed this? I'll try it out again to check before i report a bug.

[Bishop81]

Soon
Til then, dress yer local lala up as a primal and bark orders at it. XD

/sigh

Half Life 3 would probably be out before pet glamours then.

[Saggo]

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The irony couldn't have been lost on you. It couldn't have been.

But anyways, in terms of Garuda/Titan, they are indeed glamours (at least from a technical standpoint) The process for changing the E.Carby/T.Carby into Garuda/Titan will be pretty much the same process used for the new glamours. It would therefore be very possible for SE to add a line of code so that when a certain glamour is applied, potencies change. Which is most likely how they changed the potencies for Garuda/Titan anyways. They also share the exact same A.I and abilities as their Carby counterparts, so they literally are just a model change which is exactly what a glamour is.

It's splitting hairs maybe, but SE set a clear precedence with armor glamours, so I wouldn't lump the potency boost in with the glamouring process. Either way let's not forget Eos and Selene, which presumably use the same base system (and background code) and they change abilities and behaviors.

I say that since it basically means the whole system is pokemon evolutions. Only having Summon I-III wouldn't be so restrictive if that was worked on more. If it was just a strict potency boost, Garuda/Titan/Ifrit would be invalidated. We'd have stronger pets, but still just 3 (pertinent) choices. That's technically not a bad idea, but if the idea is to give people more pet options, that doesn't. If they kept Garuda/etc valid, then itd be the same potency boost across the board, and then we're just back to glamouring models. Now if they modified behavior (some abilities), Garuda/etc would still be possible options, but that's not much different then just adding more pets with 3 summon slots to chose from.

So if we stick with the current base system, I see it only going three possible ways right now: Evolutions, New Summons and 3 Slots (essentially), or literally Just Glamours. Thoughts?

I'm not sure of this is a bug or not, or me just being a little slow but rouse is supposed to make pets immune to poison, paralysis etc.

Doesn't block poison, if you look at the wiki.

[Dyvid]

Well if we are going to do this and stick with the changes 3.0 brought here is my list of changes I want.

*Dreadwyrm Trance - The effect looks like the Bahamut bust in player housing and needs to be better. Either have it as a corporeal Bahamut that floats behind us or go with the WoW Warlock. Should last the entire time trance is up.
*New Egi - PvP specific pet.
*Egi design change - Since MCH has a AoE and Single target pet, we should too.
*Egi glamour system - You already have models for carby so you could drop that tomorrow. We also want Levi, Ramuh, Shiva, Bismark, and Rav.

[scribble92]

Doesn't block poison, if you look at the wiki.

You're right. Next time i should read the tooltip properly xD

One of the thing i do miss from 2.X which hasn't translated to 3.0 is SMN physick. It heals the same amount as it used to (little more because of increased det but negligible) but due to higher char hp and also harder hitting enemies it is no longer worth using. Yes we are a DPS class first and foremost, but in a cynch it could be really useful. As a self heal if healers are otherwise occupied it could save your life from an unavoidable aoe. I also used to use it for spamming on the tank and keeping them alive whilst you ress the healer if for whatever reason the healer went belly up. Could just be enough to pull you through a hard spot. But that is no longer the case. Don't think they will ever change it but i do miss occasionaly saving the day haha

[SoloWingMetatron]

It's splitting hairs maybe, but SE set a clear precedence with armor glamours, so I wouldn't lump the potency boost in with the glamouring process. Either way let's not forget Eos and Selene, which presumably use the same base system (and background code) and they change abilities and behaviors.

I say that since it basically means the whole system is pokemon evolutions. Only having Summon I-III wouldn't be so restrictive if that was worked on more. If it was just a strict potency boost, Garuda/Titan/Ifrit would be invalidated. We'd have stronger pets, but still just 3 (pertinent) choices. That's technically not a bad idea, but if the idea is to give people more pet options, that doesn't. If they kept Garuda/etc valid, then itd be the same potency boost across the board, and then we're just back to glamouring models. Now if they modified behavior (some abilities), Garuda/etc would still be possible options, but that's not much different then just adding more pets with 3 summon slots to chose from.

So if we stick with the current base system, I see it only going three possible ways right now: Evolutions, New Summons and 3 Slots (essentially), or literally Just Glamours. Thoughts?

Yeah you're right about Eos/Selene, although they utilize the same base code from the Carbies, it would have had to have been changed a little to accommodate their new abilities. Though this will be because they are switching to a healer/support based pet from DPS. But with the Egi their role does not change so their coding/abilities are just a carbon copy of the Carbies with a model change (with the added potency change of course).

But considering the potency change does not take effect until the Carby changes into the Egi, the seemingly logical way to do this would be to just add that line of code into the model change itself. If that was then applied to the future Egi glamours then that at least would open a doorway for SE to make each Egi a little unique in some way. For example if Leviathan replaces Ifrit as a glamour, then the potencies of Leviathan's equivalent to Flaming Crush and Radiant Shield could be increased, whilst the potencies to his equivalent to Crimson Cyclone and Burning Strike could be decreased. This would then help push Leviathan to be more so of an AoE pet whilst still keeping the Ifrit play style as a base.

[Akiza]

Dreadwrym Trance

Add Bahamut Wings to the Summoner for the duration of Trance.

[Bishop81]

Dreadwrym Trance

Add Bahamut Wings to the Summoner for the duration of Trance.

They used that idea for our LB3 already.

[Yunona]

I play summoner currently and the egis aren't bad but what about the whole troll quest for Ramuh-egi.. I mean SE knew what they were doing.. I am not trying to start anything, but I think they have the models for our egis, and bigger versions too. Not that sizes matters for them d: but I mean just give us something, it kinda feels like it isn't finished, i know level 60 summoners who love it and think it isn't finished. I love the DoTs and I love the egis, but come on, I want to glamour my Garuda to look like Titan, I like Titan better and can't use him at all.
IN ALL HONESTY ITS REALLY FUN TO PLAY AND MY HUSBAND AND FRIENDS SEE ME ENJOY MAKING UP STORIES FOR THE EGIS I HAVE AND I WANT THE GLAMOUR FOR MORE STORIES, ITS THE FUN THAT MATTERS.
That was caps before I get rage or any kind of misunderstanding. I do love the class and don't mean to come off as whining. I want to see every class grow equally(: