We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[SovereignAegis]

As in we should add Wanderer's Minuet to every DPS class.

Why? Because then a lot of these people saying Bard is fine would realize it's not okay... and then understand the frustration that Bard's are facing, there are too many DRG, MNK, NIN saying that Bards should suck it up.

"But that will never happen that'd change my class completely"

AHA! Just the same as Bard's entire whimsical playstyle was thrown upside down.


Wanderer's Minuet wrecked everything about the Bard's playstyle, from weaving off-GCD abilities through GCD abilities and mobility to keep up with their healers and give them mana. Do you realize how horribly hard it is in a challenging fight to keep up with a WHM kiting AoE's/other mechanics with a cast timer? Obviously not, so let me explain. IT IS A FLAT OUT DPS LOSS OF CATACLYSMIC LEVELS.

Bard feels like a Black Mage, spamming cast times nonstop in a fight. It does not feel anything close to how Bard did before. It isn't the job we all opted to play! If we wanted to play BLM we would bloody well play BLM.

I feel like everyone who says Bards should suck it up should have their melee DPS get cast times just to see how jarringly differently it plays. It feels COMPLETELY different.


*Oh and you lose auto attacks too.

*Oh yes let me not forget that the majority of your 50+ skills are also linked directly to this ability and inaccessible outside of it.

[Sessurea]

mobility to keep up with their healers and give them mana. Do you realize how horribly hard it is in a challenging fight to keep up with a WHM kiting AoE's/other mechanics with a cast timer? Obviously not, so let me explain. IT IS A FLAT OUT DPS LOSS OF CATACLYSMIC LEVELS..

what the hell does wm and mobility have to do with playing ballad? xD not to mention the part about whm kiting aoes...I +1 your post!

[SovereignAegis]

what the hell does wm and mobility have to do with playing ballad? xD not to mention the part about whm kiting aoes...I +1 your post!

If a Bard doesn't keep mana song up in radius for the white mage then the white mage runs out of mana...

And then the entire party makes love to the ground. (Funkier way of saying we wipe hard.)

[Sessurea]

If a Bard doesn't keep mana song up in radius for the white mage then the white mage runs out of mana...

And then the entire party makes love to the ground. (Funkier way of saying we wipe hard.)

Ahh I see. Well keeping in range of the healer isn't too much trouble for us.

Wanderer's Minuet wrecked everything about the Bard's playstyle, from weaving off-GCD abilities through GCD abilities.

Learning to accept WM but you were right. The cluster mess of ogcds being off cd is infuriating.

example: Heavy shot, pop a buff, Heavy shot, bloodletter comes off of it's natural cooldown just as u cast heavy shot, np cast bloodletter after heavy shot, right? Wrong, it just reset from rivers of blood trait after coming off it's natural cooldown while you were STILL casting heavy shot, rip bloodletter proc

while without wm : hs,buff,hs,bl,hs,bl

enough of crappy rng like that and rip sanity.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Alright, Aegis. We get it. You hate Wanderer's Minuet. You hate the changes they made to Bard.

Seriously, give it a rest. They ARE reviewing it. It's NOT going to change tonight. It's not gonna change tomorrow either. If they make ANY big changes, it won't be immediately. And all the salt and satire in the world isn't going to expedite the process. So seriously, give it a rest. Deal for now, or go level something else.

[Kathyz]

For fuck sake, only make their cast time dont interrump when they move and hope they shut up.

[Viviza]

All this complaining is nice, but you know they're not going to completely revert a new mechanic they've introduced.

[ChazNatlo]

All this complaining is nice, but you know they're not going to completely revert a new mechanic they've introduced.

It would be nice if the conversation drifted from "Our class is ruined!" and "They changed it and I am uncomfortable with this." and "You don't get it, you're not a Bard." to thoughts of how to fix it within the framework of "seriously, they aren't getting rid of Wanderers, they want to you be stuck in place from time to time." Since the lack of mobility ISN'T the problem, WM is fine by it's self, isn't it? The issue is how it interacts with Bards other actions. Are there changes to these other actions that could make the class mesh better? Would it be better if Wanderer's rooted you in place via a status ((A non curable bind, for instance)) and lost the casting timer?

Edit: Also, the comparisons to the other classes need to stop unless the comparison only makes the class harder to play, not Kneecap the DPS. Jump does pitiful damage unless you are exactly where you shouldn't be?

[Odowla]

I'm just waiting for you all to realize what a Minuet is. Maybe then you'll know why minuet makes sense and all this bitching is for naught.

[SovereignAegis]

I'm just waiting for you all to realize what a Minuet is. Maybe then you'll know why minuet makes sense and all this bitching is for naught.

60 SCH/SMN, and lectures me on how I am complaining for naught.

You don't even play Bard.