Why can you do Savage Coil unsynced?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The effort is invalidated though, it isn't that it is unfair that someone can do it unsynced, rather that the trophy becomes meaningless. We aren't talking about people and pettiness here, we are talking about game systems and a precident that content will quickly die and the effort put in now will likely become meaningless very quickly. I don't care if someone does the content unsynced, thats up to them, I do care that the devs think that it is ok to give the same reward for unsynced as synced though, especially on content specifically designed to provide a challenge

Considering you have achievements hidden on the lodestone anyway, no one would even know you had the titles or had completed the content.

You can't burn T9S. You just can't. You still have to follow the mechanics, fire/ice WILL kill you with less than 6 people. Going unsynced just makes the dps checks easier, thats all.

[dragonseth07]

I don't care if someone does the content unsynced, thats up to them, I do care that the devs think that it is ok to give the same reward for unsynced as synced though, especially on content specifically designed to provide a challenge

Why? You have a cool thing. Why does it matter if other people have the cool thing? It doesn't make it less cool. That's what I'm trying to get at here.

[Lambdafish]

Why? You have a cool thing. Why does it matter if other people have the cool thing? It doesn't make it less cool. That's what I'm trying to get at here.

As I said, it's not about other people having the cool thing, it is about what the content represents. If SCOB (savage) couldn't be done unsynced, then it would represent a piece of challenging content that upon completing would give a title that objectively represents having beaten a piece of challenging content. Given that I can do it unsynced, I guess I could do it synced, but the reward is no longer meaningful if I do it synced, there is no benefit to it over unsynced. Yes I have my own moral pride, but that is not a reward representive of the amount of effort that goes into practicing savage coil, and at this point, it is the only reward that the content has left.

Let me reiterate that I don't care if people do it synced, I care that the content designed to be difficult isn't killed by unsync.

[dragonseth07]

As I said, it's not about other people having the cool thing

You say this, and then follow it up with your bit about:

a title that objectively represents having beaten a piece of challenging content.

(I've snipped quite a bit for post length, sorry)

See, it IS about other people having the title, and the distribution of that title somehow taking away the value of yours. That's what this ALWAYS boils down to when it comes up in a game. Whatever the game, whatever the content, people place value on exclusivity, and they get jollies out of other people not having the things they have.

The problem is that the value of things like this are completely subjective to the person who has them. For some, the value is in that it means they did a hard thing. In this case, nothing changes when unsynced happens. They did the hard thing, and nothing can change that. For you, the value is in that it means other people can see you did a hard thing. It's not about the challenge. It's about SHOWING OFF the challenge and wanting acknowledgement of it. For me? If I had the title, my value in it would be that it sounds cool.

Different people value such things differently.

[Lambdafish]

See, it IS about other people having the title, and the distribution of that title somehow taking away the value of yours. That's what this ALWAYS boils down to when it comes up in a game. Whatever the game, whatever the content, people place value on exclusivity, and they get jollies out of other people not having the things they have.

Its like you haven't even read what I said, it is not about people at all, it is about the content itself. Having unsynced functionally destroys the intended purpose of the content and makes it so that getting any kind of reward out of its intended purpose a case of moral pride, nowhere in that did I talk about people or exclusivity, rather development decisions and intended purpose. By admitting that unsyncing it is ok is admitting that the content is dead, and I'd rather it not be, because it very easily doesn't have to be.

I think that you are just upset that people want to take away your chance at facerolling originally hard content, because the way you are talking about "different people want different things" really comes across as "I want difficult content to become easy so I can do it easily"

[floofuf]

Its like you haven't even read what I said, it is not about people at all, it is about the content itself. Having unsynced functionally destroys the intended purpose of the content and makes it so that getting any kind of reward out of its intended purpose a case of moral pride, nowhere in that did I talk about people or exclusivity, rather development decisions and intended purpose. By admitting that unsyncing it is ok is admitting that the content is dead, and I'd rather it not be, because it very easily doesn't have to be.

Content is supposed to be fun. The people who do it synced love a challenge, and that's their fun. The people who do it unsynced might not really like a challenge, but still want to beat it, and that's still their fun. When you say you don't like unsynced and that the game shouldn't have it, you're taking away someone's fun and that's not really fair. When you say the people who beat it unsynced shouldn't have a title, that's still not fair. Just think of the title as an afterthought or plus. Sure, some people do unsynced specifically for the title, and that's fine. This game was designed so everybody has a chance at everything via alternative ways. Like minions for example, you could get a minion by doing such and such to get it, or you can fork over cash/gil. You could say that's not fair, they barely had to do anything to get that minion while I had to do the content. That doesn't matter, you chose a different way than them. These trivial things will never even affect you, so why should it matter to you?

[Dzian]

Why? You have a cool thing. Why does it matter if other people have the cool thing? It doesn't make it less cool. That's what I'm trying to get at here.

It actually does. It's part of what defines cool...

Even in school you wear some new fashion it's cool. when Everyone's wearing it. It's not cool anymore..

Smart phones used to be a cool thing. Now there just a thing. Everyone has one. The coolness of owning one was gone years ago.

So yeah things are less cool the more people have them...

[dragonseth07]

It actually does. It's part of what defines cool...

Even in school you wear some new fashion it's cool. when Everyone's wearing it. It's not cool anymore..

Smart phones used to be a cool thing. Now there just a thing. Everyone has one. The coolness of owning one was gone years ago.

So yeah things are less cool the more people have them...

I mean, I remember feeling that way when I was a kid, sure. Not much since, though.

[randysquirrel]

Did them recently with my group. With the calm before 4.0 theres not much to do atm

t6 and t8 are literally straight burn, no mechs at all.
t7 we still had one petrifaction I think, only mech. might've had one voice as well, near the end. other than just burn, ignore ogres and it dies before shriek
t9 is straight burn. only mech is dropping meteors, same as normal. ignored everything else

do understand what OP means tho. this is content introduced only for the purpose of being an extra challenge. if it's not a challenge what purpose does it serve.

people saying you still have to do the mechs in these fights... be honest, you really don't

[madoc]

I had this idea a while ago, never bothered to create a topic, but it seems to fit this one.



If you clear the content unsynched, you get the title.
If you clear synched but with higher gear, say at 275/270 synched down to 135/130, you get a silver crown title.
If you clear with the minimum iLevel option (which forces synched), you get a golden crown title. The same applies if you beat when it's progression/at patch (no min ilvl stipulated yet or gear still current).