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    Player
    gtfoinstance's Avatar
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    Tira Drossel
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    Cerberus
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    Ninja Lv 60

    The Weekly Cap - Am I completely disillusioned?

    So after having majority of my FC tell me the weekly Esoterics cap is a GOOD thing I want to expand the sample size and bring the question here. ofc this garbage 1990s forum does not have any poll options so here's a quick one: http://strawpoll.me/5028845

    So, a weekly esoterics cap... where to begin? Well, first of all, who the hell ENJOYED a weekly poetics cap? Who enjoyed equipment being gated behind the whims of some random developer? Why does such an arbitrary value form the basis of progression in this game??

    FC member: "The cap is good because otherwise people would grind 24 hours a day and be bored in a few days, it gives people something to do"

    Hold on,
    1) People do not grind this game 24 hours a day.
    2) Even if someone did want to forego work and sleep to grind for a full set, why not let them?
    3) Removing the weekly cap does not inhibit the players who would NORMALLY get a value of 450 esos per week ANYWAY. If it does not negatively affect them, why have it in the first place?
    4) The cap only PUNISHES people for playing the game. There is no tangible benefit for it to exist.
    5) If a developer makes a game citing '70 hours of gameplay' you could play 3 days straight nonstop and play it all, or 1 hour a day for over 2 months... So what? Let people who want to play the game at their own rate play the game at their own rate? Why punish people? Would people who play an hour a day moan at the person who completed it in 3 days? Should that person be punished for playing so frequently? It does not apply to other games, why does it suddenly apply here?
    6) Remember when something else was gated? Yeah, exp. Was that a good idea? Was it removed? Yeah.

    tl:dr people should be rewarded for playing the content in the game. Slightly lower the value of rewards from drex, and increase the cost of items and allow people to get a full set of esoterics gear in a week or two IF they so choose. It does not negatively effect on anyone else.
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Need third choice I get why it is there and it does not bother me since I take all week to cap anyways. Also a poll on a forum gives inaccurate information, so shows nothing.
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    Last edited by justinjarjar; 07-26-2015 at 09:55 AM.

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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Lich
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    Bard Lv 100
    Doesn't bug me either.. I mean, five days of EX Roulette takes care of it. Sure I want all that neato gear, but....it'll be uncapped soon, just wait on it.
    I mean, "soon" maybe six months but my other jobs can wait.
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    Nyvina Virian
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    Midgardsormr
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    Summoner Lv 90
    I capped my 450 in Alexander trying for drops all week in normal mode lol D:
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    Endris Caemwynn
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    Coeurl
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    People absolutely would grind for obscene amounts of time for AF2 quickly. Hell, people have died doing that with other games.
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    Airget Lamh
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    Hyperion
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    People absolutely would grind for obscene amounts of time for AF2 quickly. Hell, people have died doing that with other games.
    This, just look at red scrips, because there are no incentives like esoteric expert roulette runs, people spam it til they complete it. Have road blocks is good to an extent but there are certain balancing acts to consider and when it comes to the red caps there are a bit of issues cause unlike esoteric there is only one bottleneck route to take to progress.
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    Firelord Azula
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    I see where you're coming from. Personally if we didn't have a cap I'd grind out all my gear I wanted (not full sets but select pieces) and then I could relax the rest of the time and just raid or do other stuff.

    But at the same time, not having a cap would allow there to be people in the game who discriminate others because they didn't grind out a full set in five minutes. Not that I would care since that wouldn't even affect me at all, but they're trying to be a little more inclusive to the general player base and we all know how "elitist" people can be out there.

    It's funny, on my server the ones you see sitting up in PF all the time demanding certain requirements or else "GTFO" have mostly all been the ones with really bad rotations and really poor ability to handle mechanics.

    There's also the fact that some of the hardcore players would grind out their sets in five days and then whine that there isn't anything to do and then unsub until the next patch. That's less money in SE's pockets. Right now it'll take you 5 weeks just to get a weapon and a body. We're talking months of grinding just to do one set for one job. That works to SE's benefit by forcing you to stay subbed longer just to finish that one set.
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    Last edited by Clarkamite; 07-26-2015 at 09:57 AM.

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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Doesn't bother me. I like having something to look forward to. Plus, if I could grind all my gear in a couple days, I'd be expected to by my raid leader. No thanks.
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    Xairos Karalis
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    Siren
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Yeah, I know it's crazy, but with the cap, I now have the ability (since HW came out) to put the game down and do some necessary life things. With no cap, I was consistently under pressure (from myself however) to just keep playing to get to that next milestone that ups my ilvl.

    I would guess that SquareEnix uses metrics of Unique Log-ins per day as opposed to Duration of a play session, So the Cap keeps people coming back each day, which is better in their eyes. But hey, that's just a theory....a game theory.
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    Anokh Sur'fut
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    I feel the same way. There would definitely be an internal pressure to run Neverreap and Fractal Continuum without the cap, and I would never get around to leveling other classes until I finished my AF2 gear.

    Also, it makes it take longer for all of my Alexander/law gear to be replaced, which I appreciate since I just got all of that.
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