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    justinjarjar's Avatar
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Hundred View Post
    This.

    The way content generally is outside of savage even if you mess up your rotation as long as you *know* the rotation you will deal the damage you are required to deal given the margin of error Yoshi provides, but a lot of players straight up don't know and then well failed dps check in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Then they're out there wondering why the dps check is failing and start a PF asking for Warriors and DPS healers to get them through the Avery, when the problem lies in them-self. Thats why Duty finder is a pain in the ass, the content is basically tuned so give a large margin of error, but players still fall outside of it, not because of mechanics. Wiping on mechanics is to be expected if you don't know them, but failing because they can't hold aggro or they can't do damage, and yet these are the foundation of their role.

    You can give them a parser but what does that tell them that their rotation is wrong? The game could've told them their rotation was wrong eons ago. If you meet the ilevel requirement a dps problem is 99% of the time. pressing buttons too slow, pressing the wrong buttons or ignoring a mechanic.

    Bismarck HM gets brought up, you don't even worry about the buff there. Basically outside of Dragon killers and the generator which a healer is typically handling... the team just does damage, which should be mad simple but isn't since players don't know their rotations.
    You get skills slowly and many times are designed to ramp up the rotation as you level. If someone did not/can not figure it out mmos might not be for that someone. No other mmo explains top dps rotations and many times even top players need to number crunch and debate to come up with "best" rotation. The story fates and dungeons in no way need the best rotation anyways just a normal understanding of the class and at least an understood priority list.
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    Delcas Seven
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    Lamia
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    Warrior Lv 81
    Quote Originally Posted by justinjarjar View Post
    You get skills slowly and many times are designed to ramp up the rotation as you level. If someone did not/can not figure it out mmos might not be for that someone. No other mmo explains top dps rotations and many times even top players need to number crunch and debate to come up with "best" rotation. The story fates and dungeons in no way need the best rotation anyways just a normal understanding of the class and at least an understood priority list.
    Which multiple players don't have lol even @ 60.
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    Eldon Pierce
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaSonic View Post
    The problem isn't the fight itself, is the fact that some people don't know how to do their rotation correctly. I've seen BLM at dungeons 50+ doing this rotation: Fire III - Fire III - Fire III - Fire III - Blizzard III - Blizzard III
    Or: Fire III - Fire III - Fire III - Fire III - Blizzard III - Enochian - Blizzard IV - Blizzard IV - Blizzard IV.
    Blame SE for naming new spells that serve a completely different function from the "preceding spell" like they are upgrades for the said "preceding spell".
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    Indira Light
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    Twintania
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    Astrologian Lv 69
    It doesn't help that they nerf the hell out of practically everything before the new content so new players can speed through, then they get to something which is slightly challenging and are thrown back by it because they've literally walked through the rest of the content.

    Obviously people's gear and item levels account for that too which can't be helped.
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    Player dragorian's Avatar
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    Blueberry Haze
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    Siren
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Because lot of them don't look at stats before putting in points nor read skills and put them to good use
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    Sapphic's Avatar
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
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    Monk Lv 90
    Attitude in MMOs, and I guess gaming, from improving your gameplay to the level of the content to trying to get the level of the content lowered so it no longer becomes an obstacle.

    If people fail at something in group content, first person you should look at is yourself. See what you can do to contribute to the party more instead of putting the blame onto others. Attitude everyone should adopt, but unfortunatly the biggest block to self improvement blocks that.

    Ego.

    I hear the excuse "I play how I want to" so does the rest of the party, and if the consensus is that they don't want to play with you, then maybe your "play how you want to " attitude is anathema to succesful group play and adaptation is needed to be succesful.

    A party without synergy where everyone plays their role to the standard needed for whatever content is being tackled, then failure is imminent. When you are in a party, you are only a cog in a machine, turn the opposite direction, or don't turn at all and it will all fall apart. The other party members which are all turning in the right direction aren't to blame if it all goes wrong, guess who it is? I'll give you a clue, it is staring back at you when you look in the mirror.

    The key to self improvement is first admitting that you need to improve. Unfortunatelly, most never will.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 07-26-2015 at 12:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Attitude in MMOs, and I guess gaming, from improving your gameplay to the level of the content to trying to get the level of the content lowered so it no longer becomes an obstacle.

    If people fail at something in group content, first person you should look at is yourself. See what you can do to contribute to the party more instead of putting the blame onto others. Attitude everyone should adopt, but unfortunatly the biggest block to self improvement blocks that.

    Ego.

    I hear the excuse "I play how I want to" so does the rest of the party, and if the consensus is that they don't want to play with you, then maybe your "play how you want to " attitude is anathema to succesful group play and adaptation is needed to be succesful.
    I think it's important to realise that not everyone "cares" as much about being successful at a video game.

    When the hardcore go-getter meets the causal seriously-can't-be-bothered-player ... the difference of opinion could lead some fairly nasty exchanges.
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    Last edited by Bishop81; 07-26-2015 at 12:29 PM.

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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    I think it's important to realise that not everyone "cares" as much about being successful at a video game.

    When the hardcore go-getter meets the causal seriously-can't-be-bothered-player ... the difference of opinion could lead some fair nasty exchanges.
    Don't have to be hardcore at all to want to win. From experience, the "cant be bothered" can be bothered to blame everyone else when it is themselves who mess up constantly, refuse to learn, or have the "I play how I want" attitude that is anathema to group play.
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    Eldon Pierce
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    Don't have to be hardcore at all to want to win. From experience, the "cant be bothered" can be bothered to blame everyone else when it is themselves who mess up constantly, refuse to learn, or have the "I play how I want" attitude that is anathema to group play.
    Your main point was that "ego" was to blame. I'm just informing you, that it could very much just be plain apathy.
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    Delivas Heiral
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Because MMORPGs have A LOT of bad players. This game has some of the worst players I've ever seen in an MMORPG(yes, I've played WoW, this game still takes the cake). The major problem with Bismarck is that its 99% DPS check, and there's no official way to accurately check your DPS. SMH, really strange decision.
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