Why are duties insane hard?

[AskaRay]

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Go play Ragnarok Online (vanilla, original) and lemme know how grindy this feels.

And if people are failing that much... do you know what to do? Are you able to communicate with the party to tell them what to do? If everyone has communicated, back and forth, and people are still wiping, then yes it's best to break up. Unfortunately you can't do much about ragequitting.

Make a party finder group to find people to clear it with you.

This is the story version, right? I think.. when I did it my party wiped twice. First time, because we didn't get on Bismarck's back to hit the carapace and the second time because we didn't DPS down the two big sanuwas fast enough. Each time, someone explained why there was a wipe and we were able to clear it.

[Nepenthe]

Go play Ragnarok Online (vanilla, original) and lemme know how grindy this feels.

ohhhh Ragnarok, so much nostalgia <3 I only played vanilla a short time, and moved to a (marginally) increased rate server, which was still a billion times more grindy than this.

As much as I freak myself out over running something for the first time, and being scared I will mess up and inconvenience everyone, I would prefer it if everything in the main game wasn't a complete snoozefest. It doesn't necessarily need to be hard, but I like people needing to actually think. With that said, I don't know how some people got as far as they have with the play I've seen. But the MMO kind of thing to do, or at least once was the MMO kind of thing to do, would be to work it out within the group and progress through it. Help people grow. It totally happens! Duty Finder makes it difficult, but it still happens. It's nice finding people within your server to run things with.

On the other side of the coin, it is frustrating when people just don't listen to you. You gotta make the best of it though. If you know a fight in and out, make a macro explanation and hope someone reads it. If you're still having no luck, shout in the world and use party finder!

[SakuraMidori]

It's still ridiculous and shouldn't be like this. By far the most grindy MMO i've played so far and I played everything up to now.

Why is the game grindy and have a main scenario that punishes you for playing with others that don't know what to do after 3.. 4... 5.. 6.. tries until everyone does abandon leave.

Make a party finder and ask for help then? but i find it funny every party you have try fail this much every time. Are you 100% sure your not messing up?

[Twilite]

It's still ridiculous and shouldn't be like this. By far the most grindy MMO i've played so far and I played everything up to now.

Why is the game grindy and have a main scenario that punishes you for playing with others that don't know what to do after 3.. 4... 5.. 6.. tries until everyone does abandon leave.

You didn't play Aion. 50 MILLION(50,000,000) for one level. Or Perfect World, with lvl104 ► 105 = 1.5 BILLION exp. Which will take you about 7-8 months..

But yes I've encountered this problem with Bismark HM as well, and I feel lucky I cleared it on my first go at all. But subsequent attempts via roulette have been failures.

And no, we don't need in game official parses. This community will never be mature enough to use them in a respectable manner.

[Meya]

It's still ridiculous and shouldn't be like this. By far the most grindy MMO i've played so far and I played everything up to now.

Why is the game grindy and have a main scenario that punishes you for playing with others that don't know what to do after 3.. 4... 5.. 6.. tries until everyone does abandon leave.

I don't think you have, go play Lineage 2, or Ragnorok Online then you can know grind.

[Odstarva]

I have never experienced your issue, to be frank. Maybe I just got lucky, but I got to clear the first Bismark on my first run. On duty finder.

I'm not going to dismiss your finding it difficult, but all I can think of is that you've just been unlucky!


As a side-note, people will only get better if content gets more difficult! Some main scenario quests becoming more challenging is only good! Force people out of their comfort zones!

[Tuathaa]

As a side-note, people will only get better if content gets more difficult! Some main scenario quests becoming more challenging is only good! Force people out of their comfort zones!

The only reason it will get better is because the people that struggle with it will either stop trying and never finish the msq then get bored and un sub or just say screw it and un sub before they try something else. An attitude that is currently ok with the majority of the people on the forums but ultimately hurts the game.

It is a little over tuned for the gear that people are going in with and needs to have the dps check lowered. It will happen just like what they did with SoF

[Icepick823]

Because people are terrible and god forbid you tell them that they suck. They'll call you an elitist and that you're ruining their fun. You know what ruins fun? Dying 10 times because people still can't do that basics like DODGE! Just keep trying and you'll get a good group.

[Destomius]

most grindy mmo? is this your first one?

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

most grindy mmo? is this your first one?

I agree. It is funny how they actually manage things that take so little time to feel like such a grind in this game. It isn't as grindy as many old school MMORPGs in reality, but honestly they just do a much much poorer job at hiding the grind. This especially applies to endgame and its endless tome grind which is amongst the worst I've seen. I saw another thread on the front page which said the tome cap should be removed and I agree with that too. Not because of anything other than that if anyone can actually stand grinding more tomes in a week than the current cap, without gouging their own eyes out or even killing themselves, they deserve to have more items. SE has done a good job with many things in this game, but their endgame update and progression systems are one of the most horrible on the whole market. Which is saying something because this is an MMO after all.