AST Sect Theory

[Apeiron]

In regards to Aurum: Nope. Still sub-50 (I hadn't check when I made my earlier reply -- I should have though!) meaning no Noct sect. Just ran it and had no real difficulties outside the occasional player goof. Might want to check and make sure your diurnal sect is up next time you run. If it is (or has been) problem might have been party or gear.

[FoxyAreku]

I would kick any AST using noct stance if we already have a scholar. It's stupid and pointless. Just saying.

[Apeiron]

I would kick any AST using noct stance if we already have a scholar. It's stupid and pointless. Just saying.

Kick? Instantly? Not even give them the chance to switch? That seems pretty unreasonable.

[Mercurias]

I still don't see the point of a strategy that has two healing classes taking turns to use the same skill when said skills overwrite one another.

A WHM stacking regens with an AST? Sure. It's going to overheal like crazy if you AoE spam it and you'll be a little squishy from a lack of shields, but it's doable.

SCH and a Diurnal AST? Easy peasy. SCH's new burst ability helps cover for AST's lower healing, and AST's buff roulette is plenty helpful.

WHM and SCH? Old School.

WHM and Noct? Just fine. AST's ST burst healing and shields are plenty strong as long as its MP holds out, so keep feeding the AST the Ewer card and you should be just okay.

SCH and Noct? No. While the shields that AST and SCH are probably roughly equal, not being able to stack them means a lot of wasted MP, and AST can't burn MP like a SCH can. Much better to go Diurnal and pop regens.

[FoxyAreku]

Kick? Instantly? Not even give them the chance to switch? That seems pretty unreasonable.

.....I'm just going to pretend that you didn't make such a ridiculous assumption and ignore your post. XD

[Apeiron]

I still don't see the point of a strategy that has two healing classes taking turns to use the same skill when said skills overwrite one another.

A WHM stacking regens with an AST? Sure. It's going to overheal like crazy if you AoE spam it and you'll be a little squishy from a lack of shields, but it's doable.

SCH and a Diurnal AST? Easy peasy. SCH's new burst ability helps cover for AST's lower healing, and AST's buff roulette is plenty helpful.

WHM and SCH? Old School.

WHM and Noct? Just fine. AST's ST burst healing and shields are plenty strong as long as its MP holds out, so keep feeding the AST the Ewer card and you should be just okay.

SCH and Noct? No. While the shields that AST and SCH are probably roughly equal, not being able to stack them means a lot of wasted MP, and AST can't burn MP like a SCH can. Much better to go Diurnal and pop regens.

This is assuming that the AST is being as proactive with their A. Benefic as the SCH is with their Adlo, which they shouldn't be according to this hypothesis. Originally, this strategy was put forward as a way to discuss how best to take advantage of the AST sects. With lower potencies, the hypothesis goes, an AST mirroring their co-healer would be capitalizing on the individual strengths of that healer (HoT, lots of single target healing). A WHM/AST(Di) would have their HoT stack, while providing the necessary quick Benefic/Cure to keep the party alive and handle mechanics accordingly. A SCH/AST(No) would have the SCH continue to be proactive with their shields, while the fairy and AST handle keeping party members well off. If for some reason the AST shields at the same time as the SCH, yes there may be a weaker shield (depending on who shielded first) but there would still be a shield, and some amount of damage would be mitigated.

.....I'm just going to pretend that you didn't make such a ridiculous assumption and ignore your post. XD

It's only a ridiculous assumption if you don't clarify. For all I know, you might be a jerk and insta-kick people. It's not all that ridiculous of an assumption when I have no working knowledge of who you are.

[Mercurias]

Let me dumb it down a little.

If you, as an AST, demand that I not use any shields after the opener while I'm playing my SCH, I'm going to laugh at you. You'd essentially be telling me not to do a pretty crucial part of my job because you want to, despite the fact that you can click a button and let us both do something beneficial to the group without overwriting one another and wasting MP.

That's kind of the end of the line. There is no tactic which would make a Noct sect anything but terrible to pair with a SCH, especially because you have Diurnal to use instead.

[Amiaze]

In regards to Aurum: Nope. Still sub-50 (I hadn't check when I made my earlier reply -- I should have though!) meaning no Noct sect. Just ran it and had no real difficulties outside the occasional player goof. Might want to check and make sure your diurnal sect is up next time you run. If it is (or has been) problem might have been party or gear.

Sorry, looked at my AST again and I think it was actually Dusk Vigil that gave me issues. I'd have to replay it again (I've been busy and haven't touched it in a while), but one of the bosses was giving me trouble, so I left Nocturnal and went back to Diurnal. For some reason I was thinking I hadn't hit 50 with AST yet.

Although I did have some gear issues in Aurum Vale previously.

[Apeiron]

Let me dumb it down a little.

If you, as an AST, demand that I not use any shields after the opener while I'm playing my SCH, I'm going to laugh at you. You'd essentially be telling me not to do a pretty crucial part of my job because you want to, despite the fact that you can click a button and let us both do something beneficial to the group without overwriting one another and wasting MP.

That's kind of the end of the line. There is no tactic which would make a Noct sect anything but terrible to pair with a SCH, especially because you have Diurnal to use instead.

No one is telling the SCH not to shield o.o". I have not once advocated that the SCH not utilize their shields. No AST should be demanding anything of the other two healers. No need to "dumb down" what hasn't been said. And besides, I'm fully capable of handling complex reasoning when well explained. Dumbing things down is actually a hindrance to clear communication, as you tend to leave vague gaps in your explanation.

Sorry, looked at my AST again and I think it was actually Dusk Vigil that gave me issues. I'd have to replay it again (I've been busy and haven't touched it in a while), but one of the bosses was giving me trouble, so I left Nocturnal and went back to Diurnal. For some reason I was thinking I hadn't hit 50 with AST yet.

Although I did have some gear issues in Aurum Vale previously.

Aah, see now that makes more sense. Please tell me which boss you're having trouble with, because I know for a fact I've run DV in Noct, and the only problems I've had were on the player end.

[Ballooooon]

I don't think stacking shields is that much of a problem as long as you pay attention to the other healer's cast bar or what shield buffs a tank has. In Elysium's world first a3 savage clear adloquium was used less than once per minute (12 times in a 13 minute fight). It seems reasonable that an astrologian who is paying attention could avoid stacking on any of those 12 times.

I would still definitely use diurnal but that's because diurnal is still so strong.