AST Sect Theory

[Ballooooon]

So uhhhh maybe I'm just bad at math but isn't nocturnal stance more mp efficient at single target healing than diurnal? Assuming the wiki numbers are correct nocturnal benefic is more mana efficient than diurnal aspected benefic even (1.13 potency per mana vs 1.117). Spamming nocturnal benefic is the most efficient single target healing astrologian can do it seems, and you don't even have to wait for healing over time.

Diurnal looks to be better for aoe healing tho as aspected helios is about 0.48 potency per mana while nocturnal's most efficient aoe heal, helios, is at 0.28.

I'm new at this and not a math person however so please critique.

Edit: you can extend the length of the heals over time tho, maybe that makes diurnal better at single target too hmm

[MidnightTundra]

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Your most mana efficient cure is Noct. Bene then D. A_Bene followed by Bene

Noct. A_Benefic: 525POT/707MP = 0.74 potency per mana

Dirunal. A_Benefic: 790POT/707MP = 1.12 potency per mana

Benefic II is more mana efficient than Noct. A_Benefic

Noct BeneficII: 651/792 = 0.82 PPM

BeneficII: 620/792 = 0.78 PPM

[Ballooooon]

But your analysis is missing nocturnal benefic I. That's the most efficient spell I was talking about.

[MidnightTundra]

But your analysis is missing nocturnal benefic I. That's the most efficient spell I was talking about.

Oh you meant regular Benefic in Nocturnal. My mistake. Yes, benefic I in Noct stance is in fact your most efficient spell. I also had to double check and I realized benefic is 354 instead of the 394 I thought it was. You're right N. Benefic > D. A_Bene for mana efficiency (pre-Time Dilation).

[Ballooooon]

So it turns out the astrologian's most mana efficient single target heal is nocturnal benefic I unless you consider a time dilated aspected benefic in diurnal stance. I thought "hey, maybe nocturnal is actually the better stance due to that!"

However, after watching the Alexander savage floor 1 clear by Yoshiyuki Ly, I find that the big difference in aoe healing efficiency between the two stances means diurnal is the more mana efficient stance.

Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkTySAHDI4

The astrologian was in diurnal stance

57 benefic I used
33 benefic II used
2 helios used
8 aspected helios used

I wasn't completely thorough as I didn't count all the diurnal aspected benefics but they are very close in mana efficiency to nocturnal benefic I and time dilation makes them better so I decided they would not change the results very much. Benefic counts could be off by like 1 or 2 but I tried my best.

Anyways, it turns out that by choosing diurnal for this fight, Yoshiyuki Ly saved about 4,912 mana.

Despite benefic I and benefic II being more mana efficient in nocturnal stance, the strength of diurnal aspected helios meant that a nocturnal astrologian would've had to throw out 9 extra aoe spells (which would be helios since it is more mana efficient than nocturnal aspected helios) to reach the same amount of healing done by diurnal's 8 aspected helios.

That is, nocturnal would have to use about 17 helios to equal 8 diurnal aspected helios. This kills the mana and is the reason why diurnal saved mana in the video despite nocturnal having more efficient benefics.

Did some more math surrounding the fight and came up with this: in the fight in the video, nocturnal stance would have been more mana efficient (better?) only if the fight required fewer than 4 diurnal aspected helios. All in all, if you need even a moderate amount of aoe healing, go diurnal.

[Apeiron]

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Thanks for looking into this and posting something. Do you know if there's a SCH POV?

[Ballooooon]

Unfortunately I don't think there's a scholar POV for that run.

Unless you mean any scholar POV in which I case I know of Lucrezia's world first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWlViWbK4GU

[Apeiron]

Meant for that run, but it's alright. Thanks for the Lucrezia vid as well.

[LycorisSelunis]

But on his A2 clear that same ast was using Noct sect with his scholar partner, interesting no?

[Vlady]

Sometimes a instant cast shields can do more for survival then people give thought about.the only true time the astrologian can shine is with precision coordination with the raid that Sally goes above and beyond the call of duty.

II'm tired of people blaming those who main an astrologian as holding the raid back.If you go by that logic then all play station users hold raid back because they are not on a pc.