Done with AST

[Nasrin]

That unfortunately makes Time Dilate next to useless. etc

Problem with Nocturnal is it just doesn't do enough. In Diurnal 2 ticks of the HoT surpasses the shield and when the tank's getting his face pummeled and you're spamming Benefic II (which is BAD but we have little choice or he's on the floor) you need all the throughput you can get. Lightspeed is ok now that it doesn't gimp healing but it doesn't make you heal faster, as much as the name suggest's it would. My heal's will come out faster but with a 2.5s recast time still present I'm really not doing any more HPS then I would just casting, I'm just getting the heal out first then paying the "cast time" by waiting for the recast to finish. Makes me sad D:

[The_Last_Dragoon]

Problem with Nocturnal is it just doesn't do enough. In Diurnal 2 ticks of the HoT surpasses the shield...

It's all from a matter of perspective. For example:

Nocturnal A. Benefic total potency: 262.5 x 2 = 525
Diurnal A. Benefic total potency: 190 + 100 x 6 = 790

It would take 4 ticks of Diurnal Aspected Benefic's Regen in order to surpass Nocturnal's potency. I'm not sure if this effect even stacks with Collective Unconscious and Aspected Helios, but it takes roughly 12 seconds (Affected by spell speed) for the Diurnal version to surpass the Nocturnal version. On the flip side though, you are maximizing the effectiveness of your mana consumption for that one particular spell since a Nocturnal player may be more inclined to try to spam Nocturnal (which they shouldn't) and it's incredibly easy to use the Diurnal version of the spell effectively. Once again though, I'm only level 31 in the class and I have more of a tank's perspective on the class than a healer's.

[AsakuraVN]

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Nah, I stopped having problems with current dungeons when I started using Diurnal & ditch Nocturnal completely. The shield only helps with spike dmg, not sustaining long fights. You'll waste more MP in the long run & will most likely out of MP near the end of dungeon boss fight.

Noc is completely useless & underpowered right now, there should be no reason to use it, unless you got pair with another AST partner.

Regarding OP's problem, it's gonna take some practices to run current dungeons smoothly with AST. I can run them while being able to push out good dps at the same time, even spam gravity, without any MP issues. It just takes more focus than WHM/SCH, and only gets a lot harder at Bisex & savage.

But then again, I do have a leveled SCH, there's really no reason for me to run as an AST anymore, cause I can rush dungeons faster & less stressful as a SCH anyways.

[YuiSasaki]

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I don't get these complains. Why is everyone but apparently me having problems with AST? Especially in Dungeons it's usually just double HoT and Gravity spam - which in fact really burns your mana quickly, but well, for other reasons than you mentioned^^.
Even in all Alex turns, I neither have mana problems nor healing problems. But well, it's up to you if you want to change your class *waves goodbye* :P.

[YuiSasaki]

*snip*I'm personally only lv31 in the class.*snip*

No offense mate, but Nocturnal is just not worth it. If it would be possible to Sect-Dance infight it might get a BIT more useful. But in most encounters you fare better with Diurnal. Especially considering that Nocturnal shields don't stack with SCH shields, while Diurnal HoTs stack with WHM HoTs. Please try out abilities before you praise them .

P.S.: Sry for the double post.

[Seoulstar]

The class can heal fine. But I personally think it depends on RNG a little too much. Considering how unforgiving it can be.

[DarkmoonVael]

I don't get these complains. Why is everyone but apparently me having problems with AST? Especially in Dungeons it's usually just double HoT and Gravity spam - which in fact really burns your mana quickly, but well, for other reasons than you mentioned^^.
Even in all Alex turns, I neither have mana problems nor healing problems. But well, it's up to you if you want to change your class *waves goodbye* :P.

Cold hard numbers suggest otherwise. It sits 500+hps behind a WHM in Diurnal, and about the same behind a SCH in Nocturnal, lacks any kind of emergency healing capability beyond Essential Dignity (which lets be honest, is a Lustrate once every 40 secs), and the card buffs are lackluster and inefficient. Also we are analysing this class as a raid Healer, not a lol "i can do some dungeons with it" healer. It has to be as capable as the other 2 healers in the game to seen as properly tuned (all classes have to be tuned top down).

Nice to see you have had no mana issues what-so-ever in all of Alexander savage yet and that your raid group isnt compensating at all for AST healing in savage.

[GeekMatt]

Have experienced low potency issues preventing me from keeping up for the full duration of the tanks large pull where my WHM and SCH never had issues.

Have not had mp issues outside of the last boss of The Aery where I abused my mp. Also, I use both stances

[YuiSasaki]

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First off, I must correct myself, because I said that I was refering to ALL of Alex, as of some RL in the past weeks I did not manage to go more than twice to A1 Sav.
(Yet, some might flame OMFG TROLOLOL stop talking before you went Alex savage)
Yet the OP was refering to dungeons and pulling multiple mob groups which led me to also refering to dungeons (and equal -> alex(normal)).
Also I don't want to be nit-picky yet, I did not see any other posts from you in this thread so talking in "we" is probably misplaced :X

Yet, I agree that there are still some flaws with AST. However (final) balancing is not done in a few weeks (or at least it should not be), therefore it is to be expected that AST will stay - let's say a bit - behind the other two heals for a while.
The most important thing for me is though, that I have fun with AST, and if I reach the endcontent one or two weeks after the "progression fanatics" is of no relevance to me.

Anyway, I guess I have to visit A1S some time soon to see it for myself, how bad/well AST fares there.

[Aeliott]

Well, I think they could make a start by removing the lower potency compared to WHM / SCH. Even if the potencies match, ASTs don't have the rest of a WHM/SCH kit that makes them what they are, so it's not like they'd be outclassed (especially given AST's lack of healing related cooldowns). Without the ability to freely switch between sects they may have shot themselves in the foot with ever making AST a desirable serious end-game healer. Instead of being the inferior middle-man of both existing jobs they should've given them a unique healing mechanic. The cards are great and refreshing, especially considering how streamlined they've tried to make other jobs (mch isn't that dissimilar to bard, every tank now has an enmity combo and a branching-finisher 2nd combo etc), but we don't have dedicated support roles in this game, it is a healer. It *can* heal all the current content, but not without considerably more stress than the others. Stress the entire party will feel.

Considering they're half-Time Mage anyway (Gravity, various timer-tinkering skills) I don't know why they didn't run with that theme in the healing department too. Maybe make them a primarily HoT class, with skills that can consume the remaining ticks for a quicker burst heal, extend them much as they can with Time Dilation / CO etc. A couple more intersting CDs like Synastry...