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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon View Post
    That unfortunately makes Time Dilate next to useless. etc
    Problem with Nocturnal is it just doesn't do enough. In Diurnal 2 ticks of the HoT surpasses the shield and when the tank's getting his face pummeled and you're spamming Benefic II (which is BAD but we have little choice or he's on the floor) you need all the throughput you can get. Lightspeed is ok now that it doesn't gimp healing but it doesn't make you heal faster, as much as the name suggest's it would. My heal's will come out faster but with a 2.5s recast time still present I'm really not doing any more HPS then I would just casting, I'm just getting the heal out first then paying the "cast time" by waiting for the recast to finish. Makes me sad D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasrin View Post
    Problem with Nocturnal is it just doesn't do enough. In Diurnal 2 ticks of the HoT surpasses the shield...
    It's all from a matter of perspective. For example:

    Nocturnal A. Benefic total potency: 262.5 x 2 = 525
    Diurnal A. Benefic total potency: 190 + 100 x 6 = 790

    It would take 4 ticks of Diurnal Aspected Benefic's Regen in order to surpass Nocturnal's potency. I'm not sure if this effect even stacks with Collective Unconscious and Aspected Helios, but it takes roughly 12 seconds (Affected by spell speed) for the Diurnal version to surpass the Nocturnal version. On the flip side though, you are maximizing the effectiveness of your mana consumption for that one particular spell since a Nocturnal player may be more inclined to try to spam Nocturnal (which they shouldn't) and it's incredibly easy to use the Diurnal version of the spell effectively. Once again though, I'm only level 31 in the class and I have more of a tank's perspective on the class than a healer's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon View Post
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    Nah, I stopped having problems with current dungeons when I started using Diurnal & ditch Nocturnal completely. The shield only helps with spike dmg, not sustaining long fights. You'll waste more MP in the long run & will most likely out of MP near the end of dungeon boss fight.

    Noc is completely useless & underpowered right now, there should be no reason to use it, unless you got pair with another AST partner.

    Regarding OP's problem, it's gonna take some practices to run current dungeons smoothly with AST. I can run them while being able to push out good dps at the same time, even spam gravity, without any MP issues. It just takes more focus than WHM/SCH, and only gets a lot harder at Bisex & savage.

    But then again, I do have a leveled SCH, there's really no reason for me to run as an AST anymore, cause I can rush dungeons faster & less stressful as a SCH anyways.
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    Last edited by AsakuraVN; 07-25-2015 at 06:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nasrin View Post
    Problem with Nocturnal is it just doesn't do enough. In Diurnal 2 ticks of the HoT surpasses the shield and when the tank's getting his face pummeled and you're spamming Benefic II (which is BAD but we have little choice or he's on the floor) you need all the throughput you can get. Lightspeed is ok now that it doesn't gimp healing but it doesn't make you heal faster, as much as the name suggest's it would. My heal's will come out faster but with a 2.5s recast time still present I'm really not doing any more HPS then I would just casting, I'm just getting the heal out first then paying the "cast time" by waiting for the recast to finish. Makes me sad D:
    It does however give us mobility, which is great, if lightspeed took off recast time it would be OP. Imagine spamming heals as fast as you could press the button, essentially making you go OOM quick too. I think its fine now. Nocturnal on the other hand is really bad compared to Diurnal. succor shielding was already weak, now imagine a weaker version of succor. Aspect benefic is 100 potency weaker than adlo, makes it ineffective as a heal, it may be 700 mp cheaper and instant cast, but that doesnt really help much when the tank takes a huge hit. you already lose the benefit of crit that adlo has and on top of that make it a lot weaker. tweaked to 150 potency should would be a huge difference.
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    Last edited by chumsy; 07-29-2015 at 05:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumsy View Post
    It does however give us mobility, which is great, if lightspeed took off recast time it would be OP. Imagine spamming heals as fast as you could press the button, essentially making you go OOM quick too. I think its fine now.
    Yeah, I feel lightspeed is quite acceptable now. There isn't much more they can add to the skill without making it OP. The job's healing forte isn't potency but speedy recovery.
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