For those who don`t get the problem with red scrips...

[Jerichai]

Going by the prices right now mats cost at max 20 million, its still alot but no way 300 mil, ppl overreacting again

How many people do you think have even 20 mill to casually throw at a single craft?

[Chrolo]

How many people do you think have even 20 mill to casually throw at a single craft?

Basically everyone whos crafting themself a 2 star item right now. Mats worth 20 mil =/= spending 20 mil since youll prolly farm them

[Jerichai]

Basically everyone whos crafting themself a 2 star item right now. Mats worth 20 mil =/= spending 20 mil since youll prolly farm them

Which is part of the whole problem people have been trying to express with this system. As it stands, this grind is financially daunting for anyone just starting out, not as well equipped, or those who never really crafted for profit. Considering the system was touted as an option for more casual-minded crafters to gear up and participate without the high set up costs...it's doing a poor job of achieving that.

[Chrolo]

Which is part of the whole problem people have been trying to express with this system. As it stands, this grind is financially daunting for anyone just starting out, not as well equipped, or those who never really crafted for profit. Considering the system was touted as an option for more casual-minded crafters to gear up and participate without the high set up costs...it's doing a poor job of achieving that.

Never did i disagree on that, i was just making a point to DarthBuzzer that hes not as limited as he makes it out to be.
There will always be friends, friend of friends, FC Members who needs something crafted because they only have a leatherdealer @60 and want the main hand or whatever

[DarthBuzzer]

Going by the prices right now mats cost at max 20 million, its still alot but no way 300 mil, ppl overreacting again

I'm not sure where you got that figure from but thats absolutely false. It's hundreds of millions in mats on every server.

[Chrolo]

I'm not sure where you got that figure from but thats absolutely false. It's hundreds of millions in mats on every server.

Right now coke is being sold for 800k ea on moogle, thats 4m a mat, someone on the crafting subforum said that he bought the astral birch ingredient for 2,5m. These are actual prices that ppl would also pay, not some inflated pseudo prices.

And scarebearz wasnt the general opinion that the crafted battle pieces suck and have no use in endgame, while the crafter equipment will be needed when 3 stars come?

[scarebearz]

And scarebearz wasnt the general opinion that the crafted battle pieces suck and have no use in endgame, while the crafter equipment will be needed when 3 stars come?

The i180 pieces would be fine as a temp (temp being the key factor when it comes to value) upgrade for many, the problem is by the time we cant actually make these for affordable prices, they will be useless as everyone will be in i200+ gears.

Looking at the state of crafting in 3.x, do you really think anyone gives a darn about 3* crafts? I suspect when 3* is out we'll have a new version of "artisan" gear or something silly, looks like we'll also have silly restrictions on mats too.

So if anyone is spending millions and millions just to get "ready" for 3*, I think they have gone mad xD

[Chrolo]

I can link like 5 ppl saying its worse than upgraded law gear, i havent done any comparioson since i wasnt planning to craft any of it until i had my own crafter gear.
Anyway what would you do with your 2300 millions if not trying to get a headstart. A fraction of your money is already enough to buy a new ishgard plot.

You might aswell quit crafting if you dont think it will get better again. I for one are still hoping

[Aeyis]

Right now coke is being sold for 800k ea on moogle, thats 4m a mat, someone on the crafting subforum said that he bought the astral birch ingredient for 2,5m. These are actual prices that ppl would also pay, not some inflated pseudo prices.

And scarebearz wasnt the general opinion that the crafted battle pieces suck and have no use in endgame, while the crafter equipment will be needed when 3 stars come?

Are you sure you read those prices right ? Because on my server the materials used to make 1 coke are being sold for 500k-800k ea, and you need 20 of those. Which would make the raw material cost 10 to 16m. Which would be raised even higher due to the requirement of red scrafter scrips to make the refined material.

Im not sure where you get the 2.5m from. I havent read that in any post.

[Chrolo]

Are you sure you read those prices right ? Because on my server the materials used to make 1 coke are being sold for 500k-800k ea, and you need 20 of those. Which would make the raw material cost 10 to 16m. Which would be raised even higher due to the requirement of red scrafter scrips to make the refined material.

Im not sure where you get the 2.5m from. I havent read that in any post.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...1436-synthesis here is the thread

also here are screenshots of Moogle's MB