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    ShaneDawn's Avatar
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    Shannon Dawn
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    Moogle
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeyis View Post
    Your a raider but you dont know any crafters? Not much effort put into that, then.
    Then again what raider would want to know a crafter these days, unless they'd like a savage Alex furniture.



    Really? I always thought it was boost runs that were.
    Run-selling mostly existed because of the BiS crafted armor variants and to cover the high-end food/pot costs you know. Sure, there can be many reasons for doing so, but I hardly doubt any decent raid team would have it as an incentive to buy the whole raid a fat cat minion.

    I haven't really seen any run-selling now vs. pre-expansion. Must be because you can't actually go throwing your gil for the best stuff now.
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    Last edited by ShaneDawn; 07-26-2015 at 03:38 AM.

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    Faust Eisenhart
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    Malboro
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    Machinist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by ShaneDawn View Post
    Run-selling mostly existed because of the BiS crafted armor variants and to cover the high-end food/oot costs you know. Sure, there can be many reasons for doing so, but I hardly doubt any decent raid team eould have it as an incentive to buy the whole raid a fat cat minion.

    I haven't really seen any run-selling now vs. pre-expansion. Must be because you can't actually go throwing your gil for the best stuff now.
    I always thought people sold runs because they like money.
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    Eldon Pierce
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Another way to make crafting more useful is to allow it to craft "speciality" gear.

    Gear that reduce damage from certain attacks from certain mobs or do more damage/apply status effects to certain mobs. Of course none of said mobs will be in raids. This way raiders won't feel pressured to buy them to min-max.
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    Delmania Shadowstar
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    Diabolos
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I think it's been mentioned that right now, the team is anxious to prevent people from clearing A savage in penta-melded, crafted gear. I don't t think that would be the case among all raiding FCs but the top tier ones would have the resourced to do that. One idea I liked from WoW was the self only crafts that in some cases, were as good as mid tier raiding gear. Those would needed to be gated behind specializations though.

    Personally, I'd like crafting to be like DAoC's crafting system, where it's not possible to min max any one thing. There's caps on stats like vit and dex, but there's also combat bonuses like attack speed, crit chance, etc, which have caps. You have to make tradeoffs, and it's based on your play style. It helps that DAoC has greater character customization then FFXIV, but I think there's room for a sch who wants to cap crit chance for Adlo vs one that want's to cap spell speed for faster heals.
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    Wizel Balan
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    Gilgamesh
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Woot fellow DAOC player, I maxed all crafts on my Valewalker at 1100+, was not fun doing that it was a good system for customization that is for sure.
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    Valentyne Laska
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    Balmung
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I don't get why Yoshida is so worried about the top tier raiding FCs. You can't stop them from beating stuff faster than the designer intends because they've trained themselves to german suplex content into submission in record time. Plus it doesn't make much sense to draw attention to the less savory end game grind that characterizes the genre, either. One of the reasons hunts work is that people can distract themselves with other things while they are doing them. MMORPGs at end game are glorified online chat rooms after all. Running expert roulette on a daily basis is absolute torture because it requires a player's full attention every time they do it and we're doing the same thing on repeat. Even Alexander becomes that way after a while.
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    Last edited by Fendred; 07-26-2015 at 01:02 AM.

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    Fortuona Paendrag
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    Malboro
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    Black Mage Lv 60
    some interesting ideas for ways to adjust the system posted so far, let's hope SE is listening.
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