Parsers make you stupid

[Rin_Kuroi]

Is it now? So if we're failing A1 normal because you're doing a whole 400 DPS for whatever reason, me telling you that you need to step your game up is harassment?

Absolutely. Saying "you needed to step your game up" is beyond useless and does nothing to actually solve the problem that I consider it harassment. Offer some real constructive advice (ie mechanics, rotations, etc) or gtfo.

[Ditto]

Absolutely. Saying "you needed to step your game up" is beyond useless and does nothing to actually solve the problem that I consider it harassment. Offer some real constructive advice (ie mechanics, rotations, etc) or gtfo.

Then going by that logic, it's also considered harassment to others to queue up for an 8 man raid while not knowing your job or rotation.

If a fights mechanics are being executed fine, yet they're still pulling a whole 400 DPS, then there isn't much you can do to help them. Especially if you do not know their class, and anything you do tell them should have been stuff they learned on their own, if they put any tiny ounce of effort into it.

A1 is literally a practice dummy fight, there is absolutely no reason someone should be that low in DPS, AS A DPS JOB, unless they're screwing up so damn bad and have no idea what any of their abilities even do. It's their job to know the job they're playing as, not mine. If they're holding the group back with low DPS and we're hitting enrage timers because of it, it's their problem, not mine, especially if I'm doing more DPS than they are in my tanking stance the entire time.

It's their problem. If I know the job they're playing enough to point out what they're doing wrong and give them tips, I will, but 90% of the time the person turns out to be a snobby "Don't tell me how to play my job" idiot who gets attitude with you for trying to offer advice. But if they've created a problem for themselves by not reading a damn thing or paying attention to a single thing while leveling, that is their problem.

Though I'm sure many of the people against parsers in this thread are those exact kinds of people.

[Rin_Kuroi]

If a fights mechanics are being executed fine, yet they're still pulling a whole 400 DPS, then there isn't much you can do to help them.

There's a reason why that person isn't doing better dps. Bad gear. Not paying attention. Doesn't know mechanics. It's not an uncaused quantum fluctuation. There's a reason for it. If you can't offer up a solution then you're even more useless then the person doing poor dps.

[Ditto]

There's a reason why that person isn't doing better dps. Bad gear. Not paying attention. Doesn't know mechanics. It's not an uncaused quantum fluctuation. There's a reason for it. If you can't offer up a solution then you're even more useless then the person doing poor dps.

Ah, I see not only are you the type of person who shouts HELP GM IM BEING HARASSED when someone tells you that you need to step your DPS up, you're also the kind of person who doesn't raid (Otherwise you would know that minimum ilvl requirements are a thing), and you have selective reading.

Ok. No point in continuing this then.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Ah, I see not only are you the type of person who shouts HELP GM IM BEING HARASSED when someone tells you that you need to step your DPS up, you're also the kind of person who doesn't raid (Otherwise you would know that minimum ilvl requirements are a thing), and you have selective reading.

Ok. No point in continuing this then.

You're so proving my point about the community now being about to handle parsers.

[Ditto]

You're so proving my point about the community now being about to handle parsers.

Not really no, all that's being proven is you cant take any type of criticism at all from others regarding anything you do, without running off to report them for harassment.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Not really no, all that's being proven is you cant take any type of criticism at all from others regarding anything you do, without running off to report them for harassment.

I've never once reported anyone for harassment. Never had a need to.

[Kona_Nightwind]

There's a reason why that person isn't doing better dps. Bad gear. Not paying attention. Doesn't know mechanics. It's not an uncaused quantum fluctuation. There's a reason for it. If you can't offer up a solution then you're even more useless then the person doing poor dps.

There is a solution, but it's on the person to ask. Go look on the forums. Most the topics about "how do I get better" or "I need help" are full of people being helpful and offering advice. But on the other hand you have topics of "class X is bad, it needs a buff" when in reality it doesnt, the op gets told its a learn to play issue, which it usually is.

[ShinTofu]

Absolutely. Saying "you needed to step your game up" is beyond useless and does nothing to actually solve the problem that I consider it harassment. Offer some real constructive advice (ie mechanics, rotations, etc) or gtfo.

Saying "you need to step your game up" is needed occasionally in expert dungeons because a sometimes people are unnaturally bad. I've had been in LS in the past where I refused to run dungeons with several people because they were so bad, NOT because they couldn't play, but because they were always watching netflix, surfing imgur/reddit, whatever while playing and either just hit a macro to do an attack rotation or spammed only a single ability. There's not so good dps/heals/tanking and there's obviousily I either bought this account or not playing attention bad.

Lower dps/heals/tanking I can deal with if they are undergeared, newish, or reasonably close. Unfortunitly I have been running into alot of PTs in daily experts were 1 or 2 players are obviousily not trying and they are horribly bad. They I call out and vote kick sometimes if they don't step up. At level 60 its not my job to explain to someone how to play their class reasonably.

I can be patient for reasonable reasons, but if your making a dungeon run take double or triple the normal time because your too busy watching TV, or never bothered trying to understand the basics of your dps rotation at 60, I got no time for that.

[Kosmos992k]

I can be patient for reasonable reasons, but if your making a dungeon run take double or triple the normal time because your too busy watching TV, or never bothered trying to understand the basics of your dps rotation at 60, I got no time for that.

The thing is, this is not a problem that using a parser can solve. People who can't be bothered to focus on the game, or who haven't learned to play their class are always going to be a liability. Let's be honest, any decent player can tell during play whether anyone is significantly under-performing - without the aid of a parser. A parser is no help in this situation at all, except as a tool to harass another player - which is of course why we don't have a parser already.